1st cycle! Test e 500mg cycle, when to dose Aromasin to prevent gyno?

[kenn_steroids]

Hey guys! Long time lurker, first time poster!
Hate to ask for help already but have done my research but there are heaps of mixed opinions.
Tried my best to squeeze in my question into the title so you guys didn't have to click into my thread to know if you could help me answer my question

But yeah.

Stats
Age: 27
Height: 5foot7inch (manlet :') )
Weight: 155-160lb? Bit fat 15%~ body fat.
Training experience: About 4 years, 3 years seriously.
Blood work: Waiting on results! Get it Monday. Already had my blood pressure checked (was fine).

Cycle

Week 1-4 : dbol 30mg ED
Week 1-12 : Test E 500mg per week (250mg injections twice a week)
Week 2-12 : HCG 250ius twice a week (Same day as Test)
Week ?? : Aromasin ??

PCT
Week 15-18 : Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

My question is... is my cycle ok? Any tips or changes?
Also, how do I dose this Aromasin with the main purpose of preventing gyno? I have a bit of pubertal gyno and just want to make sure this is prevented.
Should I take it every day from day 1? Or wait until I have signs of gyno to take it? Can I just stop taking it if I feel like my gyno is in check? (different people say different things)
I have some extra Nolva on hand too if that makes any difference (should I take that during cycle?)

Thanks heaps for the help guys!

 

[Norsegod]

Okay, first thing is first...I honestly don't think you are big enough to do a cycle yet.

As far as the gyno, if you already have some then you should run the nolva right away to try to get rid of it starting at 40 per day for the first week then 20 a day until it is gone, but roloxifen would be a much better choice at 60 a day until it is gone.

If you already have gyno then you may not want to run dbol as it is a very "aromatisable" drug.

When it comes to the aromasin....that will be different from user to user. Some guys need ten mgs eod, and some need 25 mgs eod with even lower doses of test like 500 mgs.Start out with 12.5-15 mgs eod beginning in week 2 if you use short ester test, and if you are using long ester test (which you stated you will be using) then start it in week 3. This will also vary based on the other compounds in the "stack". With dbol being a drug that aromatises rapidly you would need a higher dose of ai. So instead of starting at 12.5 eod you may want to start with 17.5-20 mgs eod and then see how you respond, but you shouldn't be taking anything with test the first time anyway. You don't wait until you get gyno...that is just absurd. It is to prevent, not treat. Also, drink a lot of water as this will help.

Get the rolox if I were you and take care of the existing gyno before you cycle anything. Then build up a naturally good base body before you cycle, as this will make gains made easier to keep, and the body won't be as stressed from the dramatic changes like pressure on ligaments and tendons, or stress to muscle tissue (all from dramatic gains in size and strength). There is only one way to do this and it is the right way. If you choose the other way you will live to regret it very soon, you will find out. Rather quickly too. Like I said dbol is a bad choice. Besides, a first cycle should always be just testosterone at 500 per week.

 

[tbonexl]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

 

[kenn_steroids]

Okay, first thing is first...I honestly don't think you are big enough to do a cycle yet.

As far as the gyno, if you already have some then you should run the nolva right away to try to get rid of it starting at 40 per day for the first week then 20 a day until it is gone, but roloxifen would be a much better choice at 60 a day until it is gone.

If you already have gyno then you may not want to run dbol as it is a very "aromatisable" drug.

When it comes to the aromasin....that will be different from user to user. Some guys need ten mgs eod, and some need 25 mgs eod with even lower doses of test like 500 mgs.Start out with 12.5-15 mgs eod beginning in week 2 if you use short ester test, and if you are using long ester test (which you stated you will be using) then start it in week 3. This will also vary based on the other compounds in the "stack". With dbol being a drug that aromatises rapidly you would need a higher dose of ai. So instead of starting at 12.5 eod you may want to start with 17.5-20 mgs eod and then see how you respond, but you shouldn't be taking anything with test the first time anyway. You don't wait until you get gyno...that is just absurd. It is to prevent, not treat. Also, drink a lot of water as this will help.

Get the rolox if I were you and take care of the existing gyno before you cycle anything. Then build up a naturally good base body before you cycle, as this will make gains made easier to keep, and the body won't be as stressed from the dramatic changes like pressure on ligaments and tendons, or stress to muscle tissue (all from dramatic gains in size and strength). There is only one way to do this and it is the right way. If you choose the other way you will live to regret it very soon, you will find out. Rather quickly too. Like I said dbol is a bad choice. Besides, a first cycle should always be just testosterone at 500 per week.

Thanks for taking the time out to respond and help me out! I took your advice into consideration, and waited on my blood results (all normal, healthy liver, all levels within normal range, good blood pressure).
I may have misjudge my weight and body fat % a bit (I was converting kg to lb).
I am fairly built, I have a solid foundation.

I ended up starting the cycle (both dbol and test e) about a week ago now.
(dosing the dbol 10mg a time, 3 times a day)
I am 9 days into my cycle, not 100% sure if the dbol I got was legit... though I feel fuller pumps at gym and my appetite has increased a bit but I don't feel like I am on anything extra. It just feels like when I take creatine.
I am eating 6 meals a day, maybe it's not enough (about 4000 calories).
I am not feeling any gyno effects or any sensitivity to my nipples or anything just yet.

Not sure if it is dbol working or not. Will give it a few more days and see.

Thanks again for the response though!

 

[TryinToGetStrong]

Have you gained any weight? At 9 days of dbol you should definitely have some bloat and water weight. Are you taking the AI already, or waiting for sides? I take mine from the start, just to make sure I control it.

 

[kenn_steroids]

Have you gained any weight? At 9 days of dbol you should definitely have some bloat and water weight. Are you taking the AI already, or waiting for sides? I take mine from the start, just to make sure I control it.

Um, not much, about 1 pound? Maybe from eating heaps, I'm not too sure.
But I have been really really thirsty as well.

I hope it's not dud

 

[TryinToGetStrong]

Wow! That's it?

 

[kenn_steroids]

Wow! That's it?

Yeah! Not good huh
I'll keep taking it anyway, helping my appetite and we shall see in a week. If it's dud I might just give it a miss and just hope for the best with the test e!
I guess might be a sign, Norsegod may have been right

 

[Sergej]

you are only taking 30mgs of dbol a day! give it some time, dont expect miracles in 9 days.. also test takes about 4 weeks to kick in.. if you havent started aromasin, do it NOW! dont wait for gyno signs.. good starting dose is 12.5 mgs ED not EOD.. good luck with your cycle

 

[kenn_steroids]

you are only taking 30mgs of dbol a day! give it some time, dont expect miracles in 9 days.. also test takes about 4 weeks to kick in.. if you havent started aromasin, do it NOW! dont wait for gyno signs.. good starting dose is 12.5 mgs ED not EOD.. good luck with your cycle

Hey guys, I upped my dbol to 50mg a day, and it has been working for the past week or so.
Nothing crazy, I think my dbol is underdosed. But seems ok.
Bit extra pump, bit extra strength.
Just waiting for the Test E to kick in.

Um the thing is I was taking 12.5mg of Aromasin a day and I feel really lethargic and odd sometimes. A little bit irritable.
I'm eating right, training right... I have a feeling it has to do with too much Aromasin? Does this sound right?

I will reduce it to 12.5mg EOD and see how I go.
I have no itchy nipples or any gyno symptoms so I will reduce the Aromasin and see how I go.