Hi guys,
Glad to have found this forum, there seems to be a lot of guys here with educated/logical views on how to use steroids. I'm close to starting my first cycle but still a bit undecided on which path to take as there seems to a few. Hopefully some other newbies will also find this info useful.
I've tried to keep the post as short as possible. There is further background info at the bottom of how I've come to ask the questions below.
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Which Test to use? - I'm leaning more towards Test Enanthate due to its longer single ester which means only 1 injection a week rather than 2. Cycle length would also increase to 10 weeks rather than 8 for Sustonon250. But would not use Test E on a test only cycle as it requires another component to help balance it or the sides get too much. (For Test only I would probably use Sus.)
Deca or Equipose - Deca seems to be to most popular but Equipose seems to have a lot of plus points including very limited possibility of gyno and fat retention due to very low aromatisation but enough to mediate anabolic activity. Is this decision just down to personal preference? Also does Equipose require front loading? I've read that it does but also read that front loading is "bullshit".
HPTA (Ball shrinkage) - Using HCG in small doses (300-400IU per week) during the cycle means a theory of prevention rather than cure when it comes to ball shrinkage. I like this idea but not sure if its necessary due to cycle length and dosages. Any advice?
PCT - HCG and Nolvadex and enough Nolvadex on hand during the cycle to combat gyno if required.
So at the moment my stack would look something like this but subject to change depending on what I get back from this post.
Week 1 -2: 500mg Test E, 600mg Equipoise (front loaded).
Week 2 -10: 500mg Test E, 300mg Equipoise.
Week 10-11:HCG 3000IU x 2 (one in last week of cycle, 2nd 5 days later).
Week 12-13:HCG 1500IU x 2 (one 5 days after last HCG, 2nd 6 days after that). 40mg ED Nolvadex.
Week 14-15:20mg ED Nolvadex.
Final question: Have I gone too far with this cycle? Should this be my 2nd/3rd cycle instead of my 1st?
Cheers guys for taking the time to read this, any info/advice would be appreciated whether its to the point above or if you think I've taken wrong approach to this.
Carl
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Background:
Firstly a bit about me. I've been training for about 7 years, seriously for the last 3-4 years. Started out in Plymouth at the same gym as Stuart Core so you can see where the inspiration came from. Not that I want to be his size but defiantly want a piece of the action. I'd always been told that I need to eat but it wasn't until about 3 years ago when I realised exactly how much. So increased calories and the weight has been going on which is great but since July 06 progress has slowed. The temptation of steroids has always been there and now I'm coming to a point where I want to make the jump.
At first I was opting for a oral only cycle, maybe because it was away of getting the (moderate) goals with out having to inject. The risk of this would be higher levels of stress on the liver.
With more research and talking to a couple of friends who've been using steroids (one on his 2nd cycle, one who’s done several) who were of the opinion "Don't piss about, you've only got one short at your first cycle, so do it properly". ie go for something like test (500mg/week) and stack it with Deca (300mg/week) with the option D-bol for the first 4 weeks to help kick things off. I got the impression with further reading that most considered this stack as tried and tested for newbies. Not working for everyone but for most.
After reading the "300mg test a week" thread (see below) I've been reconsidering. I like the approach of starting slow with one item, see how it works for the first cycle and then add to it. My only doubt is that without the Deca more gains will be lost. Its the end result that I'm interested in, not the how big I will look whilst on the cycle, so keeping the gains is the high priority. With regard to the D-bol I'm undecided. I'm not quite sure how much effect they have on the end result. It works fast and sets you up for when the test ramps up but how much difference would it really make after post cycle therapy (pct)? At present, I'm leaving it out.
Which test to use:
Sources of research (not all the stuff I've read just the ones of significance):
Forum posts:
Phreezer's First cycle FAQ - Gives 3 options for a first cycle (Test only, Test & Deca, Test, Deca & D-bol) also info in injecting
Beginner Stack x2 - Discussion on the Test, Deca & D-bol stack
300mg test a week for a first cycle - Very interesting, quite long at 5 pages of posts but worth the read. It was after this thread I though I would reconsider my cycle and possibly not go for the full works of Test, Deca and D-bol.
1st test cycle - Test E 600mg/week, 10 weeks. After reading the previous thread maybe the dosage is a bit high but interesting reading.
BodyBuilding.com: Big Cats Steroid Profiles and Sample Stacks.
Wikipedia: Anything from find out what HPTA is to understanding the difference between the androgenic and anabolic properties of steroids.
Apex: The main brand of steroid available from my source.
Comparison chart: This chart obviously should be taken with a pinch of salt, everyone will react differently to different things but still quite interesting.
Additional supplements: Most people take most of these anyway but just to high light a few - liver tablets, glucosamine, flaxseed oil, Vit B complex, Vit C, multivit and drinking at least 3/4 litres a day.
Glad to have found this forum, there seems to be a lot of guys here with educated/logical views on how to use steroids. I'm close to starting my first cycle but still a bit undecided on which path to take as there seems to a few. Hopefully some other newbies will also find this info useful.
I've tried to keep the post as short as possible. There is further background info at the bottom of how I've come to ask the questions below.
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Which Test to use? - I'm leaning more towards Test Enanthate due to its longer single ester which means only 1 injection a week rather than 2. Cycle length would also increase to 10 weeks rather than 8 for Sustonon250. But would not use Test E on a test only cycle as it requires another component to help balance it or the sides get too much. (For Test only I would probably use Sus.)
Deca or Equipose - Deca seems to be to most popular but Equipose seems to have a lot of plus points including very limited possibility of gyno and fat retention due to very low aromatisation but enough to mediate anabolic activity. Is this decision just down to personal preference? Also does Equipose require front loading? I've read that it does but also read that front loading is "bullshit".
HPTA (Ball shrinkage) - Using HCG in small doses (300-400IU per week) during the cycle means a theory of prevention rather than cure when it comes to ball shrinkage. I like this idea but not sure if its necessary due to cycle length and dosages. Any advice?
PCT - HCG and Nolvadex and enough Nolvadex on hand during the cycle to combat gyno if required.
So at the moment my stack would look something like this but subject to change depending on what I get back from this post.
Week 1 -2: 500mg Test E, 600mg Equipoise (front loaded).
Week 2 -10: 500mg Test E, 300mg Equipoise.
Week 10-11:HCG 3000IU x 2 (one in last week of cycle, 2nd 5 days later).
Week 12-13:HCG 1500IU x 2 (one 5 days after last HCG, 2nd 6 days after that). 40mg ED Nolvadex.
Week 14-15:20mg ED Nolvadex.
Final question: Have I gone too far with this cycle? Should this be my 2nd/3rd cycle instead of my 1st?
Cheers guys for taking the time to read this, any info/advice would be appreciated whether its to the point above or if you think I've taken wrong approach to this.
Carl
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Background:
Firstly a bit about me. I've been training for about 7 years, seriously for the last 3-4 years. Started out in Plymouth at the same gym as Stuart Core so you can see where the inspiration came from. Not that I want to be his size but defiantly want a piece of the action. I'd always been told that I need to eat but it wasn't until about 3 years ago when I realised exactly how much. So increased calories and the weight has been going on which is great but since July 06 progress has slowed. The temptation of steroids has always been there and now I'm coming to a point where I want to make the jump.
At first I was opting for a oral only cycle, maybe because it was away of getting the (moderate) goals with out having to inject. The risk of this would be higher levels of stress on the liver.
With more research and talking to a couple of friends who've been using steroids (one on his 2nd cycle, one who’s done several) who were of the opinion "Don't piss about, you've only got one short at your first cycle, so do it properly". ie go for something like test (500mg/week) and stack it with Deca (300mg/week) with the option D-bol for the first 4 weeks to help kick things off. I got the impression with further reading that most considered this stack as tried and tested for newbies. Not working for everyone but for most.
After reading the "300mg test a week" thread (see below) I've been reconsidering. I like the approach of starting slow with one item, see how it works for the first cycle and then add to it. My only doubt is that without the Deca more gains will be lost. Its the end result that I'm interested in, not the how big I will look whilst on the cycle, so keeping the gains is the high priority. With regard to the D-bol I'm undecided. I'm not quite sure how much effect they have on the end result. It works fast and sets you up for when the test ramps up but how much difference would it really make after post cycle therapy (pct)? At present, I'm leaving it out.
Which test to use:
Sources of research (not all the stuff I've read just the ones of significance):
Forum posts:
Phreezer's First cycle FAQ - Gives 3 options for a first cycle (Test only, Test & Deca, Test, Deca & D-bol) also info in injecting
Beginner Stack x2 - Discussion on the Test, Deca & D-bol stack
300mg test a week for a first cycle - Very interesting, quite long at 5 pages of posts but worth the read. It was after this thread I though I would reconsider my cycle and possibly not go for the full works of Test, Deca and D-bol.
1st test cycle - Test E 600mg/week, 10 weeks. After reading the previous thread maybe the dosage is a bit high but interesting reading.
BodyBuilding.com: Big Cats Steroid Profiles and Sample Stacks.
Wikipedia: Anything from find out what HPTA is to understanding the difference between the androgenic and anabolic properties of steroids.
Apex: The main brand of steroid available from my source.
Comparison chart: This chart obviously should be taken with a pinch of salt, everyone will react differently to different things but still quite interesting.
Additional supplements: Most people take most of these anyway but just to high light a few - liver tablets, glucosamine, flaxseed oil, Vit B complex, Vit C, multivit and drinking at least 3/4 litres a day.
