1st Inject Cycle... Test Prop and Epistane (pre cycle critique and epi timing...)

[wecndo]

I've run epi 3 times in the past in the 4-5 week range @30-40/day and had great results each time... Now I want to embark on the path of injectables, and have decided on test prop for 8 weeks
I debated running tbol @ 50 for weeks 1-4 instead, but it's comparatively expensive to epi, which I already have experience with and have had no neg sides

CYCLE
epi @ 30 weeks 1-2; @40 weeks 3-4
test prop 100 eod, weeks 1-8
adex .25 eod, weeks 1-8
hcg if on hand but will gauge during cycle if I feel it's necessary to add in at the tail end

PCT
nolva 20/20/20/20 or 40/20/20/20?
clomid 50/50/50/50


QUESTIONS
How does this look for a 1st? I've heard generally very positive things but want personal feedback

Can I possibly run epi weeks 1-3 before starting prop and finish week 4 the first week that I start prop? I figure that this might necessitate some low dose hcg at the tail end because of the technically increased cycle length from 8 to 11 weeks
Epi has always taken some time to kick in, so I'm thinking that this would be equivalent to a pre kick start of sorts akin to starting something much faster acting/dramatic like dbol at the onset of the prop... Weeks 3-4 are obviously prime time, so just as I'm hitting a sweet spot with epi, I can just add in fast acting prop and be on my way --> Is this thinking on point or misguided?
I ask because I've never seen a dosing protocol like this, and though common consensus is to start epi with prop, I just want to know if it's possible or would be a waste.

 

[waceyf]

Stats? Age/height/weight/bf %/calorie intake

 

[wecndo]

29 yo
5'10''
210-215 lbs
bf ~12-13%
3000 cardio days, 3500 training days

currently....350 bench, 550 dl, 425 squat

 

[tbonexl]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html

 

[wecndo]

tbone, I'm not allowed to PM you for some reason, can you send me one which I can reply to?

 

[wecndo]

Figured out I don't have enough posts yet... I'll just post it here...

Got a few questions... I appreciate you taking the time man.

I'm set on prop because I've a two month period coming up during which I can devote a substantial amount of time to training, even twice a day from time to time depending on how I'm feeling... I'm on point with diet and training as is, but I can really hammer training during this period.

1) Ideally I would use var w/o a doubt. Due to a whole host of different life circumstances, money is tight now and will be for some time, and var is cost prohibitive (even considering I would w/o a doubt be on the lower dose end). I've used epi several times and am very comfortable with it, and I'm thinking it won't be as harsh because of the 4 week duration... Was my thinking logical (albeit unconventional) when I asked if I could start epi 2 weeks before starting test? (so as to start test right when hitting stride with epi)

OR, would that not make sense because prop is fairly fast acting by itself?

OR, should I consider increasing the test dose and dropping the epi entirely/running it as 20/20/30/30?

2) There is a contradiction concerning HCG in the link you posted in my thread.

In the larger compound introduction section on top... At the end of the HCG paragraph, it says, "When stimulated by HCG, the ability of the testes to aromatize androgens could potentially be heightened several times greater than normal. This also may inhibit testosterone production, so we therefore use HCG only as a quick shock to the testes."

In the example first cycle given, the author suggests to run 500iu each week during cycle (8 weeks in my case), as well as 1000iu ed for the last 10 days. Am I correct in thinking that that particular protocol is a little more than "a quick shot"?

Given the length of my cycle, I was planning to run it 500iu a week during weeks 3-7, and 1000iu on week 8. Is that ill-advised?