2nd Cycle: test cyp or prop/anavar

[hisnamewasjohn]

I want to run my second cycle ever, first being test Cyp at 500mg per week for 11 weeks when i was 20. was thinking of running this.. please help with dosages to aid in my goals..

test cyp 500mg/week at 12 weeks OR test prop 100-150mg EOD for 8 weeks
anavar at 40mg-80mg/week for weeks 4-12 for cyp OR 40-80mg/week for all 8 weeks
HCG (not sure how to use and how much i will need. never used it before but want to this cycle)
Aromasin or Arimidex while on (im prone to gyno so aromasin seemed better? not sure between the two)

PCT: (help with dosages please)
clomid: 150/100/50/50
nolva: 40/20/20/20
Aromasin if i end up using it
DAA

STATS:
Age: 24
Height: 5'11 3/4ths (pretty much 6'0)
Weight: 190
BF%: 13% (dont want to run cycle till im 10%)

My goal this cycle is to basically get extremely shredded (get to about 7-8%BF) and gain about 5-10lbs of lean muscle. My diet is on point, macros on point. not going to lay out my meal plan as im not too worried, but basically i carb cycle, and throw in keto dieting (switch off). i have done extensive research, and know what my body reacts best to and carb cycling with keto aspects like CKD seems to work best. Basically just need some insight and help on how i should take the drugs. id appreciate all the help i can get

 

[PrayForMojo]

I think you miss wrote something in your post because you have your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in your PCT.

Also you are too young in most people's opinion (including mine) .

 

[DreDay187]

I want to run my second cycle ever, first being test Cyp at 500mg per week for 11 weeks when i was 20. was thinking of running this.. please help with dosages to aid in my goals..

test cyp 500mg/week at 12 weeks OR test prop 100-150mg EOD for 8 weeks
anavar at 40mg-80mg/week for weeks 4-12 for cyp OR 40-80mg/week for all 8 weeks
HCG (not sure how to use and how much i will need. never used it before but want to this cycle)
Aromasin or Arimidex while on (im prone to gyno so aromasin seemed better? not sure between the two)

PCT: (help with dosages please)
clomid: 150/100/50/50
nolva: 40/20/20/20
Aromasin if i end up using it
DAA

STATS:
Age: 24
Height: 5'11 3/4ths (pretty much 6'0)
Weight: 190
BF%: 13% (dont want to run cycle till im 10%)

My goal this cycle is to basically get extremely shredded (get to about 7-8%BF) and gain about 5-10lbs of lean muscle. My diet is on point, macros on point. not going to lay out my meal plan as im not too worried, but basically i carb cycle, and throw in keto dieting (switch off). i have done extensive research, and know what my body reacts best to and carb cycling with keto aspects like CKD seems to work best. Basically just need some insight and help on how i should take the drugs. id appreciate all the help i can get

Your goals are unrealistic. To get 5-10lbs of skeletal muscle 8-12wks will be difficult enough but to do so while going from 10% BF to 7% is not going to happen. Focus on one goal, work hard towards it, then work on the next one.

 

[The_Brit]

your goals are unrealistic. To get 5-10lbs of skeletal muscle 8-12wks will be difficult enough but to do so while going from 10% bf to 7% is not going to happen. Focus on one goal, work hard towards it, then work on the next one.

^^^^^ nail + head!

 

[hisnamewasjohn]

I think you miss wrote something in your post because you have your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in your PCT.

Also you are too young in most people's opinion (including mine) .

I've read that aromasin is or can be ran into pct as well because it raises test levels or something along those lines. Instead of telling me I'm too young I'd really appreciate advice on dosages and how I should run my cut cycle, because in all reality you're not my mommy or daddy... I'm a grown ass man, about to be 25 and have a career making 80 gz a year. I know people who started cycling in high school.. Not me but I think I've been pretty conservative about it. Been lifting since I was 15.

 

[hisnamewasjohn]

Your goals are unrealistic. To get 5-10lbs of skeletal muscle 8-12wks will be difficult enough but to do so while going from 10% BF to 7% is not going to happen. Focus on one goal, work hard towards it, then work on the next one.

Okay goals may be unrealistic, my bad but you get the idea.. Just want to be really lean, vascular and keep muscle while dieting and cardio. What would you suggest on my dosages? Just want to run a nice cut cycle, a real simple one with test and anavar

 

[hisnamewasjohn]

And if anyone could suggest If I should run an 8 week prop or a 10-12 cyp with the anavar.. That would be awesome. Also help with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dosages and pct regime

 

[frank.tb]

You can get to 7%.natural...y cycle?
Also don't use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during your pct...that should end the day of pct.
And DAA is pointless...waste of money...I know a guy who has blood work to prove it.
If you do cycle do NOT run Anavar (var) the whole time...only the last 6 weeks should it be thrown in.

 

[DrHouse]

In my opinion, I would use Cyp simply for the fact you stab yourself less to provide those steady levels. 500mg/week is a good starting dose. I definitely would not go over 6 weeks with anavar like frank said ^^.

Also agreed you can get to 6-7% naturally. I did and wasn't too hard. Just takes dedication.

Clomid raises natural test levels. There is not a straight cut way to conduct a PCT but in my opinion, better safe than sorry.

 

[hisnamewasjohn]

You can get to 7%.natural...y cycle?
Also don't use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during your pct...that should end the day of pct.
And DAA is pointless...waste of money...I know a guy who has blood work to prove it.
If you do cycle do NOT run Anavar (var) the whole time...only the last 6 weeks should it be thrown in.

Honestly I know I could and I've gotten down to 8% before but I was skinny and weighing in at 172. I really want to hold onto my muscle while I shed the fat this time and weigh 185-190. And it's been almost 5 years, I've really been itchin to run a cycle and waited as long as I could lol. But k ill drop the daa and run the Anavar (var) for only the last 6 weeks. What dosage of Anavar (var) should I run for those last 6 weeks? How should I use my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and aromasin on cycle? Or should I use a-dex instead of aromasin?

 

[hisnamewasjohn]

In my opinion, I would use Cyp simply for the fact you stab yourself less to provide those steady levels. 500mg/week is a good starting dose. I definitely would not go over 6 weeks with anavar like frank said ^^.

Also agreed you can get to 6-7% naturally. I did and wasn't too hard. Just takes dedication.

Clomid raises natural test levels. There is not a straight cut way to conduct a PCT but in my opinion, better safe than sorry.

Yea honestly I came to that conclusion also.. I really wanted to run prop but since it's only my second
Cycle I think ill wait on being a human pin cushion and run the cyp for 10-12 weeks. How do you think I should dose my clomid pct then? What i put above? (150/100/50/50)

 

[DreDay187]

I've read that aromasin is or can be ran into pct as well because it raises test levels or something along those lines. Instead of telling me I'm too young I'd really appreciate advice on dosages and how I should run my cut cycle, because in all reality you're not my mommy or daddy... I'm a grown ass man, about to be 25 and have a career making 80 gz a year. I know people who started cycling in high school.. Not me but I think I've been pretty conservative about it. Been lifting since I was 15.

And what would happen to your estrogen levels if you took aromasin throughout post cycle therapy (pct)? There's no need to get cute either, PrayForMojo is doing nothing but looking out for your long term health. People will be much more helpful to you without the attitude.

 

[Mad- scientist]

lol sadly a grown ass man is not defined by age my dear internet acquaintance...... I'm pretty sure you still fall under the category of young man. Plus when dealing with unfamiliar territory and subjects you are only as old as the knowledge you have attained on the matter. And that is why people are trying help you and guide you.

 

[Mad- scientist]

I think the minimum age one should use steroids is 23 to 24 but in all honesty scientific evidence points to my theories as being wrong and after 25 being a better choice.

 

[DrHouse]

If you lost a lot of muscle while cutting than you were doing it wrong. I lost very little in the way of muscle mass or strength. It took me a while to get to 6-7% but it was also a great learning experience. I now know more about my body at a body fat that I was never close to before. Without really trying, I stay around 12%, some effort an easy 8% but I still grow.

As far as your dosing, I feel like standard protocol calls for 100/100/50/50 if you plan on dosing that high and my knowledge is limited. The issue is that there is a ton of variations but either way you should be fine whichever dose you decide.

 

[Frank White]

I'm leery of a "grown ass man" who describes his height as "5'11 1/2"...my kids used to say they were 6 1/2 yrs old...see my point? Guys on here know their shit, so if you dont want the advice or suggestions, dont ask...

 

[hisnamewasjohn]

And what would happen to your estrogen levels if you took aromasin throughout post cycle therapy (pct)? There's no need to get cute either, PrayForMojo is doing nothing but looking out for your long term health. People will be much more helpful to you without the attitude.

Not trying to be cute dude, I'm just being honest.. It still won't change my mind on me running the cycle. I just don't understand why people have to try to flame or say things like that to try and steer me away or whatever his intentions were by telling me that... I know the risks of turning to the dark side and I'm willing and want to take them, I already did!! Just waited a long time to run again because I felt like I was too young back then. I'm ready again, and I feel I'm old enough to make my own decisions with my own body.. I'd just appreciate help on the cycle and dosages then people trying to tell me I'm too young. Isn't that what this site and open forums are for?

 

[hisnamewasjohn]

lol sadly a grown ass man is not defined by age my dear internet acquaintance...... I'm pretty sure you still fall under the category of young man. Plus when dealing with unfamiliar territory and subjects you are only as old as the knowledge you have attained on the matter. And that is why people are trying help you and guide you.

I suppose you are right, but I'm a young man who also old enough to make my own decisions. and want to run a cycle. And I appreciate any help and people trying to guide me, but I'm looking for guidance in my cycle so I can do it correctly and safely. I'm sorry I wasn't trying to be a dick or have an attitude but it's kind of insulting to me saying I'm "too young". Yea maybe on paper but everyone is different.

 

[hisnamewasjohn]

I'm leery of a "grown ass man" who describes his height as "5'11 1/2"...my kids used to say they were 6 1/2 yrs old...see my point? Guys on here know their shit, so if you dont want the advice or suggestions, dont ask...

I'd appreciate advice on dosages and how to run my cycle.. Not that I'm "too young" and shouldn't run a cycle. thats not the advice im looking for. Actually 5'11 3/4ths of an inch which is my exact height, but my bad I guess I should've put "6'0" to sound older?! Lol dude come on now.....

 

[hisnamewasjohn]

If you lost a lot of muscle while cutting than you were doing it wrong. I lost very little in the way of muscle mass or strength. It took me a while to get to 6-7% but it was also a great learning experience. I now know more about my body at a body fat that I was never close to before. Without really trying, I stay around 12%, some effort an easy 8% but I still grow.

As far as your dosing, I feel like standard protocol calls for 100/100/50/50 if you plan on dosing that high and my knowledge is limited. The issue is that there is a ton of variations but either way you should be fine whichever dose you decide.

I understand what you are saying, but I want to speed the process up which is one of the reasons people take aas. But ok sounds good man that's how ill dose it. How would you suggest I dose the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while on? And how much anavar should I take in the last six weeks daily? Again I want to thank you for your solid replies, much appreciated