300mg/week First Test E Cycle

[Conrad0032]

So I've really stalled in progress lately and want to start my first cycle either february or July (Have surgery in June, so need to do it before or after. Will Probably be out for a week or two).

Stats:
Age: 19, going to be 20 in March
Weight: 215-220lbs
BF: 10-13% (estimate, have pretty defined abs and striations in traps, shoulders, etc.)
Height: 6'2.5"
Years Training: 6 years, 3-4 years seriously (diet in check and all)

Best lifts:
Deadlift - 600lb
Bench(paused) - 315lbs
Squat (knee wraps, USAPL depth ) - 500
C&J - 295lbs

I'm looking for a conservative approach to my first cycle. Just to see how it affects me and all. My friend did 250mg/week and said he gained about 12lbs of mass in 10 weeks, and it really slowed down at week 8/9. So I was thinking of doing something like this:
Week 1-8: 300mg Test E
Week 1-14: Arimidex (Start at .5 e3d and adjust from there if needed)
Week 11-14: Toremifene 90mg ED

I'm looking to do this cycle just to keep my gains coming little by little. I know I'm young but I've been at it for quite a while and I don't see what waiting another 3 years will do but keep me stalled at these weights for what seems forever xD My plan on attack for this cycle will be high frequency training I developed off of Prilepin's chart. If you guys want details on my training I'll be happy to write it out. My diet currently is 330 protein, 500 carbs, 140 fats, and that amounts to about 4500 calories. I'd probably go 440 protein, 600 carbs, 100 fats.

Thanks for reading, any advice is appreciated

 

[gram of tren]

show us some pics of your physique, and also that 600lb deadlift.

 

[snowpatrol123]

You're tall enough that it probably doesn't matter to you if your growth plates aren't closed yet; but your endocrine system is still developing. You could irreversibly fuck that up with AAS, or maybe nothing bad will happen. Not sure if I'd roll those dice.

What progress stalled, exactly? Big 3 lifts, overall strength, asthetics? Are you a strength athlete, performance (other sports) athelete or gym rat?

If you're looking to make progress on your lifts, you might try adding food first. 4500 calories is a solid start, but I'm two inches shorter than you and that's maintenance (with 6-7 days/wk training) for me. I don't get fat, but I don't add muscle or get stronger either.

 

[snowpatrol123]

show us some pics of your physique, and also that 600lb deadlift.

I'm more curious to see the 500lbs squat from someone at 215; that's nuts.

 

[Conrad0032]

Lifts/Pics

show us some pics of your physique, and also that 600lb deadlift.

Here is a front shot in good lighting ha, and a back shot in kinda shitty lighting
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I don't have a video of my 315 bench or my 600 dead, but I have my 585 dead, and 500 squat. How do I upload them, the files are too big it says? D:

 

[gram of tren]

600lb dead with that back?!?! ill be thoroughly impressed. upload to youtube and link us bro

 

[Conrad0032]

You're tall enough that it probably doesn't matter to you if your growth plates aren't closed yet; but your endocrine system is still developing. You could irreversibly fuck that up with AAS, or maybe nothing bad will happen. Not sure if I'd roll those dice.

What progress stalled, exactly? Big 3 lifts, overall strength, asthetics? Are you a strength athlete, performance (other sports) athelete or gym rat?

If you're looking to make progress on your lifts, you might try adding food first. 4500 calories is a solid start, but I'm two inches shorter than you and that's maintenance (with 6-7 days/wk training) for me. I don't get fat, but I don't add muscle or get stronger either.

My strength in general has stalled and I've tried quite a few different routines. I've never had the best genetics, so these lifts/weight took a lot of effort and work, so I'd say I'm pushing near 100% on a daily basis. Maybe I'm training harder not smarter idk. I'm just a gym rat atm and look to compete in powerlifting and strongman once I feel ready (635DL, 545+ squat, 225 OHP for reps, 365 bench or so). I was at 4200 not too long ago and upped to 4500 for the past 3 months or so, not much change. Guess I'll need to up it more

Here's my 585 deadlift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoG6F3W1eBQ&feature=youtu.be
The 500 squat is uploading, so I'll get that up soon. Ignore the concert videos I got up haha, I don't really go to any any more, trying to get strong(er) ha

 

[unkazra1]

Here is a front shot in good lighting ha, and a back shot in kinda shitty lighting
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I don't have a video of my 315 bench or my 600 dead, but I have my 585 dead, and 500 squat. How do I upload them, the files are too big it says? D:

If I was 19 and looked like you, with the power you have already...I would stay natural!!!! I hope they help you get that video up :dance2

 

[Conrad0032]

I'm more curious to see the 500lbs squat from someone at 215; that's nuts.

Here you go, not ATG, not parallel, little below parallel. Wraps weren't awfully tight, could have gotten another go around or two with them I'd say. I was just filming depth so it's hard to see the weight, but you can see the plates at one point during the video.
The squat starts at like 2:00 or so, sorry for long video, had no one to film for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huRba1Qq-4c&feature=youtu.be

600lb dead with that back?!?! ill be thoroughly impressed. upload to youtube and link us bro

Ouch :'( lol. Naw I know I'm not too big, never was. Not many people say my back is small, more that they'd never guess I bench 315 with my non existent chest haha.

If I was 19 and looked like you, with the power you have already...I would stay natural!!!! I hope they help you get that video up :dance2

Thanks, but I'd like to excel in some strength sport. I have real big joints and lanky limbs too so I look super small in real life compared to others with smaller joints.

Any input on the cycle though, now that I showed some videos and such. No trust in these parts ha.

 

[gram of tren]

strong kid. good job! what are you trying to accomplish with AAS?

 

[Conrad0032]

I just wanna continue to progress in lifting and plan on reaching an elite level some day, which isn't really possible with my genetics naturally. Easier said than done of course ha. Also I find myself training myself to death a lot of the time so maybe I'm doing too much for a natural guy but I don't really believe in "too much." So the shortened recovery time on AAS will keep me going without over doing it.

 

[gram of tren]

so strength based training, as opposed to bodybuilding, correct?

 

[Norsegod]

Bro, stay natural. if you're that big at your age you'll be fucking huge at 24, then when you start gear you'll be a fucking monster

 

[Conrad0032]

so strength based training, as opposed to bodybuilding, correct?

Yes, but being bigger will definitely help my powerlifting, as my leverages are poor with my lanky limbs. I do bodybuilding training after my powerlifting kind of like Brandon Lilly does, if you know who that is.

Bro, stay natural. if you're that big at your age you'll be fucking huge at 24, then when you start gear you'll be a fucking monster

I wish that was the case... If you check my videos I deadlifted 545 at 17, and squatted (a little higher than now) 460. So that progress is nothing special and nothing will happen but slow down even further now that I'm more advanced. Also at 17 I was 215lbs at like 14%-15% BF (visible abs but barely and few striations), so that's not bad of a weight gain but still nothing special.

 

[snowpatrol123]

If you're set on cycling, and aware of the permanant risks exacerbated by your age, read through the "my first cycle" sticky. Long story short, recommend 500mg of test E or C per week, for twelve to sixteen weeks.

You can run less, but if you're pinning anyways you might as well do that much. I would personally stay away from orals, especially on your first cycle - lots of people add dbol but it makes my delt and back days write-offs due to insane pumps despite taurine supplementation and gallons of water.

 

[hardpr]

i suggest holding off until your fully healed.

 

[Conrad0032]

If you're set on cycling, and aware of the permanant risks exacerbated by your age, read through the "my first cycle" sticky. Long story short, recommend 500mg of test E or C per week, for twelve to sixteen weeks.

You can run less, but if you're pinning anyways you might as well do that much. I would personally stay away from orals, especially on your first cycle - lots of people add dbol but it makes my delt and back days write-offs due to insane pumps despite taurine supplementation and gallons of water.

I read the 300 vs 600 test sticky and it seems 300 isn't 1/2 the gains of 600, but rather 2/3, which is a fair trade off in my eyes (so 300 vs 500 would be close to one another as well). Not to mention the gains of 300 while sitting on ones ass (cause it said they didn't undertake weight training) was 11lbs or so? Which is an incredible amount in my eyes. Furthermore, the strength gains in leg press (I know it's leg press , but I assume it's similar for other lifts) were extremely close and nearly the same, and that's the main reason I'm thinking about AAS. Any other reason to take more mg of test other than it's convenient since you're pinning already and will get slightly more gains? Also, I will stay away from orals and everything else for now because I want to see how test alone will effect me. Thanks for the response.

i suggest holding off until your fully healed.

I was considering that but then I thought if I do it earlier I'd run it for the 8-12 weeks and PCt and all. Then I'd have 3 weeks post PCT or so until the surgery, giving me the time to maintain the gains for a little. Then the 1-2 weeks off would give my body from the excessive overload of training I'd be doing... or would I just lose everything xD What do you think of that?

Edit: I hope I'm not coming off as stubborn and making excuses to cycle and what not, I'm just letting you guys know what's going through my mind and my reasoning for doing what I want to do.

 

[snowpatrol123]

Some of the methodology behind that study is questionable, but you're right you'll still gain on 300. Keep in mind, bigger, leaner guys (230+) cruise on 150-250mg/wk. To maintain, not build. You'll be just as shut down (HTPA-wise) on 300, jab yourself just as many times and have to run the same PCT. Test is cheap, 500mg is a moderate dose with manageable side effects that aren't significantly higher than 300mg/wk. Either way you'll want an AI in your possession, if not run preventatively.

 

[Conrad0032]

Some of the methodology behind that study is questionable, but you're right you'll still gain on 300. Keep in mind, bigger, leaner guys (230+) cruise on 150-250mg/wk. To maintain, not build. You'll be just as shut down (HTPA-wise) on 300, jab yourself just as many times and have to run the same PCT. Test is cheap, 500mg is a moderate dose with manageable side effects that aren't significantly higher than 300mg/wk. Either way you'll want an AI in your possession, if not run preventatively.

True, I read in many places the average 20 year old produces 50-70mg test/week, and considering the weight of the enanthate ester and all you're getting like 180mg test a week, which is still 3x the amount of a regular guy. Plus I need to get to 230+ lean first xD Also about HCG, i wasn't planning on taking any as I want to see how fast I recover with it vs without it, so maybe next time I'd throw it in or something. Those are good points though... Anyone else think 500 would be a better choice than 300 for my goals. Maybe 400 in between will end up being optimal xD

 

[Conrad0032]

Bump, any one else have some input on this?