3rd cyle looking for vets opinions.

[D.graham0991]

Ok guys i will start with my stats. 25 years old, 6'1" 225lbs with 10% bf. I eat all organic and my diet consists of chicken, fish, eggs, potatoes, veggies, fruits, oats, and rice and that is all I eat. My first cycle was test cyp 600mg/wk 12 weeks standard PCT nolva clomid. My 2nd cycle was test E 900mg\week for 12 weeks, D Bol 50mg/wk for 4 weeks, HCG, and standard nolva clonid PCT. This time around I want to run test prop and tren ace and get as lean as I can get while still adding muscle. Here is my layout so far butI know im going to need primo or caber and thats where I get confused. Will caber work alone? Why do I need it? Need suggestions and please dont give me the your too young lecture.

Week 1-13: test prop 400mg/week
Week 1-10: tren ace 600mg/week
Where do i add in caber? Do i need N2 guard?
PCT would be a week after last prop standard nolva clomid. Just really confused guys. I need a vet/expert to just tell me how much to take lol.

 

[Megatron28]

Let's back up. Are you certain you won't need an AI on that dose of Test? Where will it out your E2? That will determine the answer to the DA question.

 

[D.graham0991]

Oops sorry forgot to mention that I will be taking .5 mg adex EOD. Does that answer your question? Also do i need HCG? And im still unsure about the caber, that is my big issue.

 

[Megatron28]

Ok. Thanks.

I always recommend hCG on cycle. It will help you recover better by minimizing testicular atrophy. Start day 1 and run it until 3 days before PCT starts. Do not run it during PCT as it is HPTA suppressive.

You need a DA. Caber or Prami. The question is do you run it from Day 1 or wait until issues crop up. If you can keep E2 in check you shouldn't need the DA. If you start experiencing problems (e.g. lactation or limp dick during sex) you could start taking the DA. There can be downsides to running a DA such as DAWS. I personally choose to run a DA from Day 1 when I use a 19-nor. And I prefer caber over Prami as the latter can cause nausea and tiredness. Let us know which one you choose and we can help you figure out how to run it if you choose to use it from Day 1.

For your liver, run NAC and Liv.52.

Tren will mess up your lipids so keep that in mind.

Do you run blood work on cycle? Are you familiar with the false-positive reading tren will cause?

 

[D.graham0991]

This was probably the best response I have ever seen on a forum I really appreciate the info it is very informative. I will run caber. What dose and how frequent? I will start day one and I will also run hcg as i am familiar with it and have used it before. I will be running blood tests so what is the false positive reading all about? U have been awesome so far man finally getting my questions answered.

 

[D.graham0991]

Also, do u like my dosing for tren and test? Should i tweak it at all. Looking to lose BF and gain muscle at the same time but obviously going for the more shredded and lean look with this cycle

 

[Megatron28]

This was probably the best response I have ever seen on a forum I really appreciate the info it is very informative. I will run caber. What dose and how frequent? I will start day one and I will also run hcg as i am familiar with it and have used it before. I will be running blood tests so what is the false positive reading all about? U have been awesome so far man finally getting my questions answered.

Thanks. We are here to help. None of us were born knowing this stuff. I just ask that you hang around and pay it forward.

Caber is usually run at .50mg every 3.5 days. Tell your significant other to "brace" him or herself.

Blood work: if you check estradiol under the ECLIA method, tren will give a false reading. Your E2 will appear to be higher than it really is. So it is important you know how much AI to run for your test dose or get the LC/MS/MS method for E2. This method is not affected.

 

[Megatron28]

Also, do u like my dosing for tren and test? Should i tweak it at all. Looking to lose BF and gain muscle at the same time but obviously going for the more shredded and lean look with this cycle

Since you ask, I recommend a first run of Tren be done at 350mg/wk. It is really powerful. You will notice it. Some guys have bad experiences with Tren so it is best to not run a mega-dose your first time.

Run the dose of Test that you normally run so that you are confident that you can keep E2 in the healthy range. That is really important when running a 19-nor.

Losing body fat or adding muscle will be dictated by your diet. Not so much the type of gear you run.. Notice I said "or". Unless you are a total Noob to weight training you will not be able to do both. So pick one. Bulk now and cut after your cycle or start cutting right away. Keep in mind that Tren will help with nutrient partitioning so that if you bulk minimal fat will be added.

 

[D.graham0991]

Very helpful. Last question is do i stop running caber the last time i poke tren or all the way until PCT?

 

[Megatron28]

Very helpful. Last question is do i stop running caber the last time i poke tren or all the way until PCT?

You could stop once the Tren clears and you start PCT.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Since you ask, I recommend a first run of Tren be done at 350mg/wk. It is really powerful. You will notice it. Some guys have bad experiences with Tren so it is best to not run a mega-dose your first time.

Run the dose of Test that you normally run so that you are confident that you can keep E2 in the healthy range. That is really important when running a 19-nor.

Losing body fat or adding muscle will be dictated by your diet. Not so much the type of gear you run.. Notice I said "or". Unless you are a total Noob to weight training you will not be able to do both. So pick one. Bulk now and cut after your cycle or start cutting right away. Keep in mind that Tren will help with nutrient partitioning so that if you bulk minimal fat will be added.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^ right on. Suggest I b believe its better running Arimidex at .125 ED to better control Estrogen. It's a personal choice but for me and a few guys that's my suggestion. Meg is on point

 

[D.graham0991]

This is awesome. Couldnt be more excited to become a part of this community. Knowledge is power my friends.