A different way of using dbol...by Johny

[Johny J]

I know many use dbol in the beginning to give their cycle a jump start. I understand this... it gives some quick size and strength gains which is pleasing as opposed to waitng a couple weeks for longer esthers to see results.

However, i propose this. Use the dbol at the end of your cycle. Liek this..
Weeks 1-10 test
week 8-12 dbol
My reasoning is as follows. You can keep your anabolic effect high as you are waiting for the longer ester to clear to start your post cycle therapy (pct). Idea being....those 2 weeks where you wouldnt be shooting as you wait for the test\deca\etc to clear, you can keep on juicing, and stop the dbol the day before it is time to start the Pc. It will keep you gaining right up until the last second.

Next reason, and this is based on wehat i recall from some research i read a while back. This theory may not be correct if i am mistaken on 2 things.
One study if i recall correctly, stated that cortisol levels are very high towards the end of the cycle.
Another study i about dbol's effects on the body said that one of its properties was it effectivle lowered cortisol levels.
Looking at these 2 studies, i propose to use the dbol at the end to lower your cortisol levels right as you come off. You can effectigvely be getting rid of that corisol for 4 weeks, right up until the day before post cycle therapy (pct). High cortisol leves will cause a loss of size after your blood steroid levels drop. This probably is something that causes you to lose your gains after you come off, or at least contributes to it. So why not get that cortisol level as low as poissible before you come off the steroidss? This may help you to keep your gains you busted your ass for.

This is just an idea of mine. I came up with it (i never read this aproach anywhere, and it was never mentioned to me), I have tried it and it worked great. Now i dont have much cycle experience. I dont claim to be an expert. Just wanted to put it out there to see what some of you more experienced guys may think. Also wanted to get some input from some of you medical\bio chem oriented guys on what you think of the science of my aproach.

Maybe some of you will try this method, and give your input. Hell who knows, Perhaps it can become a knew aproach to ccling that will one day become the norm.

Perhaps this should be a sticky, and see what people think, see if some try it and perhaps post there results and how they like it.

SO chime in. DO you like the idea of using itlike this? Think it is sound theoretically, or want to try and post resuklts? Want to say it sucks, or maybe make it a sticky to keep track if anyone tries and gets results they like or hate?

 

[Insane_Man]

Seems that beign a strong aromitizing androgen, Dbol is more suited for a kick start.

Personally I will be ending this cycle with Winstrol (winny) and prop.

 

[Johny J]

Seems that beign a strong aromitizing androgen, Dbol is more suited for a kick start.

Personally I will be ending this cycle with Winstrol (winny) and prop.

ah, you brought up something i knew someone would, but figured i would ait until it was brought up so ididnt have to type more.

Someone is going to say the long acting estrogen that is formed by dbol aromatization will supress your natural test as well, so it wont work to have it at the end. Thats why i say use either arimidex or letrozole at the end of the cycle to getkeep estrogen from being formed in the first place. So now you have an immediate drop of hormone levels (the test half lives are gone, and the dbol is out the day after you stop) and Estrogen levels are low right when you want to begin your post cycle therapy (pct). This should be beneficial to kick starting your balls as well.


boo-ya kasha

 

[jcp2]

Seems that beign a strong aromitizing androgen, Dbol is more suited for a kick start.

Personally I will be ending this cycle with Winstrol (winny) and prop.

I think kickstarts are pointless, if you are looking for peaking strenght after a cycle dbol at the end is whay you want to do, other than that i think dbol is a shit drug that is pretty much pointless.

 

[ectomorph]

I too think kickstarts are pointless but i DO like to use Dbol or Anadrol the last 4 weeks like Johny says because that is when my size/strength gains seem to plateau. An extra kick towards the finish line.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

ah, you brought up something i knew someone would, but figured i would ait until it was brought up so ididnt have to type more.

Someone is going to say the long acting estrogen that is formed by dbol aromatization will supress your natural test as well, so it wont work to have it at the end. Thats why i say use either arimidex or letrozole at the end of the cycle to getkeep estrogen from being formed in the first place. So now you have an immediate drop of hormone levels (the test half lives are gone, and the dbol is out the day after you stop) and Estrogen levels are low right when you want to begin your post cycle therapy (pct). This should be beneficial to kick starting your balls as well.


boo-ya kasha

Remember, AIs will not get rid of all the natural estrogne in women. I think the most I saw in any study was 85%.

Now think about how much estrogen is produced in a cycle by test, eq, d-bol etc. I would think the best Aromatase inhibitor (AI) would only reduce it by half.

Now that is now such a bad thing, as we need some estrogen for growth and other things, but your theory will not work, as there will still be a considerable amount of estrogen floating around.

 

[Johny J]

Remember, AIs will not get rid of all the natural estrogne in women. I think the most I saw in any study was 85%.

Now think about how much estrogen is produced in a cycle by test, eq, d-bol etc. I would think the best Aromatase inhibitor (AI) would only reduce it by half.

Now that is now such a bad thing, as we need some estrogen for growth and other things, but your theory will not work, as there will still be a considerable amount of estrogen floating around.

yes there will be some estrogen floating around. However, witht he use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), i believe it could be kept at a very reasonable level. At this low level, it should not present much of a problem. IF the dbol is kept reasonable (i used 25mg, but lets say under 50mg) for 4 weeks, or even just the last 2 weeks when you stop shooting, i dont think there will be any problem with estrogen supressing your natural test. I have seen it mentioned on here to be careful with AI's, as some guys lower their estrogen levels too much.

Now speaking from experience, like i said i have done this 2wice. I never had a post cycle crash. I kept gaining while on post cycle therapy (pct). Kept my gains afterward. Never felt like shit after a cycle either, perhaps due to the well being effect of dbol and the lowered cortisol levels.

Personally, i think its worth a shot, since i like it. Maybe what i have experienced worked nicely for me only. However, I told another buddy of mine on here (BLeachcola) about that method, he did it and liked the results.

Appreciate your input, Lawnsaver. Like you said, it may not work at all.
Keep it coming fellas.

 

[Rokomuscle1]

Johny... your a moron (on the convo forum that is ) but I have to admit that you do provide some thought provoking topics on the anabolic forum.....

 

[Johny J]

Johny... your a moron (on the convo forum that is ) but I have to admit that you do provide some thought provoking topics on the anabolic forum.....

thanks. I hope some people give this a shot, or at the very least take a look at whati propose. Like said, it has been tried and the results were great.
Apparently no one gives a shit, or they havent bothered to post their opinions.

You really think i am a moron on the convo board? Its all in good fun, i am a sweet heart.

 

[Mr. dB]

Interesting idea. I've done that with Winstrol (winny) at the end of a cycle, but hadn't thought of dbol. The Winstrol (winny) was good for adding some nice strength increases and kicking me out of the malaise of that late-cycle plateau.

 

[BigRonWannabee]

If your into cortisol levels there is one drug you'd be interested in...tren. Start or end your cycles with tren to put a damper on those cortisol receptor sites. Androgen loading is common for this purpose, and Ive always liked the idea of ending a cycle with short ester drugs that set up a good environment for post cycle therapy (pct). Good post JJ.

 

[Johny J]

If your into cortisol levels there is one drug you'd be interested in...tren. Start or end your cycles with tren to put a damper on those cortisol receptor sites. Androgen loading is common for this purpose, and Ive always liked the idea of ending a cycle with short ester drugs that set up a good environment for post cycle therapy (pct). Good post JJ.

tren is excellent as well. however, i find the stregth drop at the very end kinda bums people out. Also, since test levels are dropping, and hormones are fluctating, it may not be a good time to add a drug that messes with peoples emotions, especially since clomid is soon to follow and we know what that does. Just my opinion. If tren doesnt mess with your head (fucks with mine), and you dont need the ego stroking of super stregth, i think tren is a great idea.

thanks for the input man.