Hey guys, I'm hoping to seek some personal advice, and hopefully open up some discussion, on steroids and blood clots. First post here so I will apologize in advance for any faux pas, bare with me. Some insight from people with a better understanding and knowledge on this subject would be greatly appreciated. For those who truly want to help me, I added a little background information at the end. I'll try to keep this all abbreviated and to the point as possible.
Main Issue: 2 Weeks ago I had a one year anniversary to a major surgery. Not being where I want to be physically I made the rash and impulsive decision to hop on a cycle of EQ and Test E after getting blood work and the "I'm not going to support your decision but I'm willing to help you if your stubborn." speech from my doctor. In retrospect, the EQ was definently a poor choice, considering my current condition. This would have been my first cycle in 5 years (currently 26) since my last episode with blood clots. Admittedly , not nearly enough thought or research was put into this decision, and soon paranoia and anxiety consumed me like a bitch. Thought I would be happier shoving needles into my quad (this does give me some slight joy), but not having a full grasp on what I'm doing/the unknown consequences has left me with a few restless nights and Physiological symptoms. I have done just 2 injections, separated by 7 days, of 150mg EQ and 125mg Test E so far. SOOO long story short...I am left with a few questions that I can't seem to find a clear definitive answer to. 1.) if I were to stop after just 2 injections of that dosage would I need any PCT or could I just use something like HCGenerate and pick up with that? 2.) Ironically, as I was pondering my life decisions, this study appears on the news on Blood Clots and TRT. For those of you who haven't heard of it I will place it below:
mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(15)00428-0/fulltext
So in light of this recent study published, I was hoping those with more experience and understanding might be able to shed some insight on a possible mild Test only cycle for someone like me? My gut tells me that a mild cycle would not kill anyone like myself (literally) but I would love to hear from some of the vets in the game.
P.S. hoping for a little more then "Don't do it, not worth the risk"; or something along those lines. That statement may very well be true, but I'd like empirical based evidence or first hand knowledge and experience as to why it is. And after all, who ever really achieved anything worthwhile without taking risks??? A big part of me posting on this forum is to get more education for myself, and others in my shoes. I realize everyone is an individual so everything should ideally be case by case, but for anyone who contributes their knowledge and information, I thank you in advance.
Background: Suffered multiple blood clots (subclavian, axillary, brachial, basilic and cephalic veins) at age 22. Diagnosed with Venous Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Was placed on coumadin for 6 months with little to no results. After trying every alternative technique and supplement under the sun. plus a very clean diet and exercise, I was able to rid myself of almost every clot. I was left with some residual clot left in my axillary. I was told that would be with me for the rest of my life and it had fused to my vein wall, with no risk of breaking off. After years of tireless effort and rehab, I finally gave in to the surgery, where they shave away a part of your first rib. That was the surgery I am currently recovering from and while I am leaps and bounds ahead of where I was a year ago, 5 years of no heavy lifting, in addition to 40 lbs.of size lost over that same duration, got me antsy to get my identity back. I have no factor 5 clotting disorder and clots are thought to be entirely due to structural and mechanical reasons (a lot of overhead pressing and such). I had done a mild cycle of Test E plus Deca around 19 (too young I know) and a prohormone cycle probably about 3 months prior to my clot issues being diagnosed. Thanks again for those who take the time to read and respond.
Main Issue: 2 Weeks ago I had a one year anniversary to a major surgery. Not being where I want to be physically I made the rash and impulsive decision to hop on a cycle of EQ and Test E after getting blood work and the "I'm not going to support your decision but I'm willing to help you if your stubborn." speech from my doctor. In retrospect, the EQ was definently a poor choice, considering my current condition. This would have been my first cycle in 5 years (currently 26) since my last episode with blood clots. Admittedly , not nearly enough thought or research was put into this decision, and soon paranoia and anxiety consumed me like a bitch. Thought I would be happier shoving needles into my quad (this does give me some slight joy), but not having a full grasp on what I'm doing/the unknown consequences has left me with a few restless nights and Physiological symptoms. I have done just 2 injections, separated by 7 days, of 150mg EQ and 125mg Test E so far. SOOO long story short...I am left with a few questions that I can't seem to find a clear definitive answer to. 1.) if I were to stop after just 2 injections of that dosage would I need any PCT or could I just use something like HCGenerate and pick up with that? 2.) Ironically, as I was pondering my life decisions, this study appears on the news on Blood Clots and TRT. For those of you who haven't heard of it I will place it below:
mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(15)00428-0/fulltext
So in light of this recent study published, I was hoping those with more experience and understanding might be able to shed some insight on a possible mild Test only cycle for someone like me? My gut tells me that a mild cycle would not kill anyone like myself (literally) but I would love to hear from some of the vets in the game.
P.S. hoping for a little more then "Don't do it, not worth the risk"; or something along those lines. That statement may very well be true, but I'd like empirical based evidence or first hand knowledge and experience as to why it is. And after all, who ever really achieved anything worthwhile without taking risks??? A big part of me posting on this forum is to get more education for myself, and others in my shoes. I realize everyone is an individual so everything should ideally be case by case, but for anyone who contributes their knowledge and information, I thank you in advance.
Background: Suffered multiple blood clots (subclavian, axillary, brachial, basilic and cephalic veins) at age 22. Diagnosed with Venous Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Was placed on coumadin for 6 months with little to no results. After trying every alternative technique and supplement under the sun. plus a very clean diet and exercise, I was able to rid myself of almost every clot. I was left with some residual clot left in my axillary. I was told that would be with me for the rest of my life and it had fused to my vein wall, with no risk of breaking off. After years of tireless effort and rehab, I finally gave in to the surgery, where they shave away a part of your first rib. That was the surgery I am currently recovering from and while I am leaps and bounds ahead of where I was a year ago, 5 years of no heavy lifting, in addition to 40 lbs.of size lost over that same duration, got me antsy to get my identity back. I have no factor 5 clotting disorder and clots are thought to be entirely due to structural and mechanical reasons (a lot of overhead pressing and such). I had done a mild cycle of Test E plus Deca around 19 (too young I know) and a prohormone cycle probably about 3 months prior to my clot issues being diagnosed. Thanks again for those who take the time to read and respond.
