Been on TRT for 2 years, dosage question

[BDTMD]

I'm a 36yo male, 5"11 210, 20% bf. I'm currently pinning .5ml of 200mg per 1ml per week (so 100mg a week) of test cyp (on TRT for 2 years now). My levels are around 800 (and I usually test the day before my pin). Pre TRT my levels were at 150-200. For the last 8 months I've been working out more and gaining muscle and losing fat. My diet still sucks cause I like to eat, but I look and feel better. I havent lost any weight, but my body composition is changing which is great. I came across some extra test cyp and was wondering if I could inject more (like someone who is doing a cycle) for 12 weeks and then return to my .5ml per week. I've read the average cycle is 250-500mg per week. I don't think I would need post therapy maintenance meds for after the cycle since I'm on TRT for life. I'm looking for pros and cons. What would the extra boost do (help with building muscle and losing fat?

Thanks and appreciate all comments

 

[Roush]

Of course you don't need a PCT if your already on TRT . nothing wrong with being on TRT and blasting additional test, just be aware of the negative side effects that may come with doing that, that your not currently experiencing with the low dose trt. elevated estrogen, gyno, water retention, bloat, elevated blood pressure, elevated Hemotocrit , etc etc..

the other option is sticking with your TRT but running a second 'cleaner' AAS compound to go with it for awhile. A compound with less possible sides. example, run 6 weeks of VAR just added to your regular TRT regimen.

 

[BDTMD]

how much of a blast do I need to see significant gains? Would doubling my current dose from 100mg to 200 mg weekly do anything? Or I could pin every 3.5 days and do 150mg? I have arimidex to control estrogen as well.

Thanks

 

[Megatron28]

500mg per week is a good first cycle. For 10-14 weeks. You will have to manage E2. Do you know how to get private blood work?

When is your next doc appt? You don't want to get busted

Have you read the Sticky Threads?

 

[BDTMD]

500mg per week is a good first cycle. For 10-14 weeks. You will have to manage E2. Do you know how to get private blood work?

When is your next doc appt? You don't want to get busted

Have you read the Sticky Threads?

I have read some of the threads, what topic are you talking about? I see my Dr next week, but I'm unsure if I'll have enough for 500mg a week. I definitely have enough to double my dose, So I can go from 100mg per week to 200mg per week. I would just add an extra pin and shoot 100mg E3D. I might be able to go 150mg E3D. Would that do anything? Is it even worth it?

 

[Roush]

i would just go with some UGL test and add that to the mix, with a dose high enough to make a real difference. having been on TRT for awhile, your body is already adapted to exogenous test, simply increasing the dose by 100mg a week will not be a noticeable difference.
getting to supra-physiolgical levels for 10 weeks or so at 500mg will be a noticeable difference. you can pick up UGL test for about the same price as a dinner at a fast food joint with your spouse.

 

[Ziegler]

run 6 weeks of VAR just added to your regular TRT regimen.

Can you elaborate more on this please, doses, what to expect & what to watch out for ?

 

[Roush]

Can you elaborate more on this please, doses, what to expect & what to watch out for ?

instead of just upping your testosterone dosage on trt to get more anabolism (plus more negative sides), you can just add a 'clean' anabolic to your protocol like VAR. Var, besides being an anabolic (low androgenic) muscle builder, will lower your SHBG, and when SHBG is lowered then less testosterone is bound by shbg and more of it is freed up to be used by androgen receptors. SO, with Var you get the benefit of the anabolism plus it helps you better utilize the TRT dose of test your taking.

40mg per day is a good starting point. VAR is a dht derivative and does NOT convert to estrogen , so there are very few negative side effects to worry about. its also the most 'lightly' liver toxic oral you can take (meaning your liver will be fine on it).
negative sides may include the basics sides that come with being anabolic and in a muscle building state, elevated heart rate and body temperature and sweating. As well as muscle pumps (but usually at higher dosages)

 

[Ziegler]

negative sides may include the basics sides that come with being anabolic and in a muscle building state, elevated heart rate and body temperature and sweating. As well as muscle pumps (but usually at higher dosages)

Thanks and what types of things could someone do to combat these side like the elevated heart rate especially ?

 

[BDTMD]

So back to my question, what I'm seeing from posts is that I would need 500mg per week for 12 weeks to see significant gains. I only have the means to take 300mg per week (an extra 200 mg then what I'm currently taking). So is there any reason to do the 300mg a week? Or should I just not do that small if a blast.

 

[Roush]

Thanks and what types of things could someone do to combat these side like the elevated heart rate especially ?

nothing can be done about the elevated heart rate* as this is just a physiological side effect of putting on muscle mass (once your body adapts it will go back to normal). as for painful muscle pumps you can take Taurine 1000mg a day. these really no major negative side effects with Var that anyone ever even realizes. even the elevated heart rate, unless they are checking their resting pulse every morning it likely goes un-noticed.


*this is person dependent . some guys don't get an elevation of heart rate at all with Var

 

[Roush]

So back to my question, what I'm seeing from posts is that I would need 500mg per week for 12 weeks to see significant gains. I only have the means to take 300mg per week (an extra 200 mg then what I'm currently taking). So is there any reason to do the 300mg a week? Or should I just not do that small if a blast.

300mg should be a sufficient minimum dose to get some anabolic effects from. side effects will be low (unless your bf% is on the high end and you aromatize heavily), but that should be just enough to give you some decent gains in strength and muscle size

 

[BDTMD]

Thanks! I have arimidex, but unsure how much to take. On .5ml weekly shots, my estradiol was up to 60 so I started taking .5mg EOD and crashed to 7. I didn't really feel bad at 7, but I know that is low. That test was back in June. I went off arimidex for 2 months to reset my levels and lately I've been taking .25 the day after my shot. I haven't been tested again by my Doc, so unsure what my level is at. When I do blast, what should I boost the arimidex to? .25 EOD or would I need more? I will try to get a test within the next month to see what I'm at, but was just looking for suggestions

 

[Roush]

Don't be too afraid to let your estrogen go up with the increase of testosterone while on cycle. The increase in estrogen will help with gains by helping hold intercellular water and increase in strength (unless your goal is Not increasing muscle size and strength and only trying to cut fat).
you could start at taking .25mg every third day. keep an eye on blood pressure and sensitive nips, and adjust from there

 

[Milton]

How much arimidex did you finally take?

 

[BDTMD]

I'm just starting the blast now. My plan was going to inject .8ml or 160mg every 3.5 days (Sat/Tues). I was going to start with .25mg arimidex every Tuesday with my shot, so just .25 per week and see how I feel. Any thoughts?