Beginner Cut Cycle Advice

[Mr_gainz]

First, I would like to say I've been through this forum site for all of my prohormone and pct information, but have never registered until today. I am a men's physique competitor with a lot of experience with prohormones and finally think I'm ready to use the needle.

Age: 31
Weight: 178
Height: 5'6
Bodyfat: Around 12%

I am almost 13 weeks out from my show and plan to be close to 170 lbs when I start the cycle below at 8 weeks. I don't really know how much more beneficial running it for 10 would, but I have taken it into consideration. Please don't crucify me for using test and winny... I think I should be ok and able to handle any issues should they arise.

8 Week Cycle
Weeks 1-8 100 mg GP Test Prop every other day.
Weeks 3-8 40 mg GP Stan 10 per day.
Weeks 1-8 GP Anastrozole .5 mg per day (continued for at least 10 days after cycle.)
***Weeks 7-8 HCG 500 IU of HCG twice a week (Will it cause water retention??? I want my testicles operating at full force when I start PCT to keep gains)

PCT
May use Clomid also, but I believe this cycle is pretty mild
Nolva 40/20/20/10
Blackstone Labs PCT IV
DAA

I also have Toremifene and Letrozole on hand. Is it possible to us Toremifene on cycle instead of the Anastrozole or utilize it for PCT. Just trying to use stuff I already have if possible.

Any input is greatly appreciated!!!

 

[tbonexl]

Run hcg during cycle up to pct. Keep your ai in the cycle up to pct. Get rid of the blackstone whatever out of your pct. You can run nolva&clomid for pct or toremiphene.

 

[tury694]

Run hcg during cycle up to pct. Keep your ai in the cycle up to pct. Get rid of the blackstone whatever out of your pct. You can run nolva&clomid for pct or toremiphene.

Did you not notice how much adex he is taking for that tiny dose of test? He will crash estro in the first week with that much adex. Not sure how smart using winny on first cycle is, but that is up to you. You can cut with just the prop and I would run it at 125 eod and adjust diet and training to get the results you want. Just run the clomid alongside the nolva also during pct and the hcg during cycle.

 

[Roush]

OP -- why do you have this whole thing all planned out so that the timing is you entering your show at the end of your PCT ?? You realize that your going to fill like shit during pct, your gonna loose muscle gains strength and confidence,, you really wanna go into a show looking depleted and feeling unconfident and like shit??


Personally I'd be running mast, var, or winny at the back end of this cycle going into the show

 

[Mr_gainz]

Did you not notice how much adex he is taking for that tiny dose of test? He will crash estro in the first week with that much adex. Not sure how smart using winny on first cycle is, but that is up to you. You can cut with just the prop and I would run it at 125 eod and adjust diet and training to get the results you want. Just run the clomid alongside the nolva also during pct and the hcg during cycle.

Is that too high of an Adex dose? Help me out guys. I've done my research and want this first cycle to be perfect. I am using winny to tighten me up for aesthetic purposes into the show (vascularity/muscle hardness/dryness).

 

[Mr_gainz]

OP -- why do you have this whole thing all planned out so that the timing is you entering your show at the end of your PCT ?? You realize that your going to fill like shit during pct, your gonna loose muscle gains strength and confidence,, you really wanna go into a show looking depleted and feeling unconfident and like shit??


Personally I'd be running mast, var, or winny at the back end of this cycle going into the show

Roush, my last dose of winny and test prop will be the night before the show. Probably didn't explain it that well in the original post.

 

[Mr_gainz]

Run hcg during cycle up to pct. Keep your ai in the cycle up to pct. Get rid of the blackstone whatever out of your pct. You can run nolva&clomid for pct or toremiphene.

Tbonexi from what I've read the HCG long can cause gyno on a short cycle, and I also read that it can cause water retention. That's why I put it at the end if at all. My only other option is to extend the cycle out to 10 weeks with 2 weeks being after the show off the winny with just test prop and dosing the HCG to give my testicles a jump start before PCT.


Roush maybe you can chime in on this since it seems you've done this as a pro.

 

[tury694]

Is that too high of an Adex dose? Help me out guys. I've done my research and want this first cycle to be perfect. I am using winny to tighten me up for aesthetic purposes into the show (vascularity/muscle hardness/dryness).

Start the adex at .5 every 3 days. Run 125 mg prop EOD minimum. Use the Winny if you want but many don't like it nowadays. I'll use it one day just to see if I like it.

 

[Roush]

Roush, my last dose of winny and test prop will be the night before the show. Probably didn't explain it that well in the original post.

Ok good deal man.. I must of read it wrong in calculating the weeks

 

[Mr_gainz]

Start the adex at .5 every 3 days. Run 125 mg prop EOD minimum. Use the Winny if you want but many don't like it nowadays. I'll use it one day just to see if I like it.

Ok, thanks! I'll start the adex at that dose. I really didn't like what I've read about Winny, but just couldn't justify forking out the cash for Anavar for a local show. I'll probably use Anavar with Test Prop later on this year for a national show. Any suggestions for the HCG? Not much info on it for utilization during a contest prep. I'm thinking it may not even be necessary since the cycle will be so short. How do you guys feel about GP gear?

 

[Roush]

Ok, thanks! I'll start the adex at that dose. I really didn't like what I've read about Winny, but just couldn't justify forking out the cash for Anavar for a local show. I'll probably use Anavar with Test Prop later on this year for a national show. Any suggestions for the HCG? Not much info on it for utilization during a contest prep. I'm thinking it may not even be necessary since the cycle will be so short. How do you guys feel about GP gear?

Plenty of guys are choosing to run masteron going into a show,, too many joint and pain issues with the winny.. So that's an option for you as well.. It shines at hardening up and making the muscle cut and grainy,, great for when your bf is low

Hcg is not for contest prep,, it's for "prepping your balls" to recover.. To put in laymans terms,, it keeps the brain (pituitary) communicating with your balls while they are shut down. Taking hcg while on cycle helps keep the testes healthy on cycle and improves chances of recovery..
Also, it's really cheap and very easy to run,, running it is a no brainer IMO

 

[tbonexl]

Hcg causing gyno and bloating? That's why your taking an ai, isn't it?

 

[Mr_gainz]

Plenty of guys are choosing to run masteron going into a show,, too many joint and pain issues with the winny.. So that's an option for you as well.. It shines at hardening up and making the muscle cut and grainy,, great for when your bf is low

Ok... I'll do some more research on the masteron. Just trying to keep this first one as simple as possible and side free.

Tbonexi, you're right... LOL! Just being scary... SMH.

 

[SoCalSwole]

First, I would like to say I've been through this forum site for all of my prohormone and pct information, but have never registered until today. I am a men's physique competitor with a lot of experience with prohormones and finally think I'm ready to use the needle.

Age: 31
Weight: 178
Height: 5'6
Bodyfat: Around 12%

I am almost 13 weeks out from my show and plan to be close to 170 lbs when I start the cycle below at 8 weeks. I don't really know how much more beneficial running it for 10 would, but I have taken it into consideration. Please don't crucify me for using test and winny... I think I should be ok and able to handle any issues should they arise.

8 Week Cycle
Weeks 1-8 100 mg GP Test Prop every other day.
Weeks 3-8 40 mg GP Stan 10 per day.
Weeks 1-8 GP Anastrozole .5 mg per day (continued for at least 10 days after cycle.)
***Weeks 7-8 HCG 500 IU of HCG twice a week (Will it cause water retention??? I want my testicles operating at full force when I start PCT to keep gains)

PCT
May use Clomid also, but I believe this cycle is pretty mild
Nolva 40/20/20/10
Blackstone Labs PCT IV
DAA

I also have Toremifene and Letrozole on hand. Is it possible to us Toremifene on cycle instead of the Anastrozole or utilize it for PCT. Just trying to use stuff I already have if possible.

Any input is greatly appreciated!!!

I think your plan is fine. I'll bet you can safely lower the dose of adex. .5mg 3 times a week is plenty. Hcg You could get good effect without shrinking your nuts and with out over stimulating Estrogen by lowering the dose to 250iu 3 times a week.

What I would do if I were you is run your cycle 2 weeks longer because that way you can blast some extra HCG the last week which would be 2 weeks after you win the show. So even if you put on a little water from the extra HCG no big deal and you pretty much guarantee a better PCT.

I guess you heard the stories about winny. It's no fun. You can easily tear a tendon, ligament or even e muscle belly from the added drying effect. Transition to high volume and lower weight when the Winstrol aches come on about 2 weeks into it.

Good luck!! I love competing. It pushes you so much farther, than if you just coasted and never had to present your work of art. Awesome dude!! bring it home.

 

[SoCalSwole]

Ok... I'll do some more research on the masteron. Just trying to keep this first one as simple as possible and side free.

Tbonexi, you're right... LOL! Just being scary... SMH.

Actually when you get that lean and dry you can notice HCG even on a good ai which is why I said lower it to 250iu 3 times a week. The average AAS user will never get competition lean so you don't see it. But trust me your concerns are right on the money. You got instincts. You might even consider not taking it the week before the show. The one week won't hurt you and you will be even drier. Plus if you blast it a week after like i said previously you will good to go.

 

[Mr_gainz]

Actually when you get that lean and dry you can notice HCG even on a good ai which is why I said lower it to 250iu 3 times a week. The average AAS user will never get competition lean so you don't see it. But trust me your concerns are right on the money. You got instincts. You might even consider not taking it the week before the show. The one week won't hurt you and you will be even drier. Plus if you blast it a week after like i said previously you will good to go.

Did more research on the HCG and I should be fine a week without it as long as I have it for at least 2 weeks before PCT. The 250 you recommended also checks out as being a beneficial dosage for testicular Atrophy. So it looks like I'll do 8 weeks TP with winny 4 weeks into the show and another 2 weeks after without Winny to get my body back on track to produce test. Really looking forward to the new gains. Thanks for the input guys... I may do a log.

 

[SoCalSwole]

Did more research on the HCG and I should be fine a week without it as long as I have it for at least 2 weeks before PCT. The 250 you recommended also checks out as being a beneficial dosage for testicular Atrophy. So it looks like I'll do 8 weeks TP with winny 4 weeks into the show and another 2 weeks after without Winny to get my body back on track to produce test. Really looking forward to the new gains. Thanks for the input guys... I may do a log.

Good luck Brother. Post up some pics!!