Beginner Seeking Opinions on Test E

[Savage Tenacity]

Hey guys, I'm new to the site and thought I would pose a question and see your guys thoughts. I'm 22 years old, been lifting for 7 years, and never used steroids before. For some background information, I started at 16 as a scrawny 118 pound twig seeking to add size. After years of eating, lifting, research, rest, and more eating, I weigh in at 195-200, standing at 5'10 with an approximate body fat of 12-14% (can see abs a bit). I've done a lot of research on steroids and prohormones over the years, however the consensus seemed to be not to even think of touching the stuff until 21. Now that I'm 22, and have trained as long and as much as I have, I feel as though my gains are slowing down, and feel as though I can safely attempt a cycle. I have no interest in orals or prohormones. From what I've read here it seems Test E at 500 mg a week spread out into 250 mg twice a week is a good place to start. In addition, I would run either adex .5 eod or possibly nolva during the cycle to prevent any gyno. Not tryna sport bitch tits for summer. I understand the importance of post cycle therapy (pct), if I decided for the cycle I would run nolva, 40/40/20/20. Also keep the adex on hand. I have heard mix opinions on the use of hcg for first time users, some recommend it throughout, others seem to recommend a blast. I would shoot for the cycle to last 10-12 weeks. I'm just looking for some feedback guys, I understand I'm still young and some may say that it's not safe for me. You guys are the experts. Any advice is much appreciated

Some stats: (I do not max out of fear of injury)
Bench press- 295/3-5
Squat- 315/max effort- I do not exceed 315 bc I do not wish to blow my back out, it runs in the family
Power clean- 200, still struggling with proper technique
I do not deadlift

As said any feedback is appreciated, feel free to rip me a new one guys, I'm just looking to learn!

 

[Methodology]

If your only running testosterone and not 50 years old, HCG is only recommended, I've heard enough mixed reviews to just avoid it all together, I would just see it as PCT overkill; most will recommend stacking clomid with another pct for maximum effectiveness. Unless you feel like your plateauing ppl will recommend you wait till you hit your peak, but you got a good base, and have done enough research to know what you need to do.

Just make sure you do an equal amount of research finding your gear, its easy to be mislead by almost everyone trying to make a profit as a ugl, so many fakes out there, I was surprised I hit the jackpot first try, you know, its like $500 taken on a chance, even at a trusted ugl, you never know what might happen.

 

[Savage Tenacity]

Thanks for the reply Method, much appreciated. My feeling on HCG and any chemical is unless it is a necessity, I would rather avoid it. I have also read up on the scammers and people who may even attempt to message me on here offering, haha, but yea I will be taking it upon myself to find the gear if that is indeed the route I go. As far as plateauing, it's tough to say. Some workouts are better then others. Sometimes I leave the gym feeling like a million bucks, other times I feel like a real chump. Whenever I feel like I'm hitting a wall, which I have been feeling more often lately, I always change it up, move to weighted pushed ups, pin press, db bench etc. Once again, I appreciate the reply bro.

 

[JTrain1978]

Seems like U have done some solid research so far.

Test 500mg/per week
Adex
Pct of nolva and/or clomid

Eat train sleep

Bish bash bosh jobs a good'un

 

[Savage Tenacity]

Thanks for the reply JTrain. It seems like people have mixed opinions with just nolva or clomid or both run together. Personally, never doing either of them I think I would start with just one. Unless others think its a lot more safe to run both. Keeping healthy test/hormone levels is most important to me

 

[jagbc]

Both are standard but people have came back no issues with clomid alone

 

[Sardis23]

Your cycle looks good and you seem to have a solid base. Aromasin is another good Aromatase inhibitor (AI) that you could run during your cycle. And running both clomid and nolva for pct are just recommended. I have always just ran nolva solo at 40/40/20/20.

 

[Docd187]

Thanks for the reply Method, much appreciated. My feeling on HCG and any chemical is unless it is a necessity, I would rather avoid it. I have also read up on the scammers and people who may even attempt to message me on here offering, haha, but yea I will be taking it upon myself to find the gear if that is indeed the route I go. As far as plateauing, it's tough to say. Some workouts are better then others. Sometimes I leave the gym feeling like a million bucks, other times I feel like a real chump. Whenever I feel like I'm hitting a wall, which I have been feeling more often lately, I always change it up, move to weighted pushed ups, pin press, db bench etc. Once again, I appreciate the reply bro.

Not trying to be a dick but if the bold part is true why exogenous testosterone use? Test is a chemical and if you're using it outside of a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) script than its def not a "necessity". You don't have to justify anything to me, I'm just trying to make sure you understand the risks inherently associated with AAS use in general.

Test E, being a longer ester than say prop, is usually recommended to be cycled for around 12wks minimum. You won't notice much until the 4-6wk mark and if doing only 10wks that CAN mean only 4wks where you're really making use of the cycle. I'd keep it to 12wks minimum, possibly longer but that's entirely up to you.

The reason you should do clomid and nolva together is that they each do different things in PCT. nolva is an antagonist of estrogen receptors in breast tissue , meaning that it binds to estrogen receptors so estrogen in your body has nothing to attach to. Exogenous test use can raise your estrogen levels, especially if you're physiologically apt to aromatizing test. Nolva is used during PCT because once the supra-physiological test levels drop after a cycle, your body will rebound by creating more estrogen. Nolva therefore blocks most of the excess estrogen you'll be producing from binding to recptors in breast tissue limiting sides of high estrogen.

Clomid on the other hand is a SERM that increases production of gonadotropins by inhibiting negative feedback on the hypothalamus. This means it can up-regulate your the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis (HTPA). Basically it's gets your balls working again to produce your own endogenous test production.

As you can see the two are very different drugs and have different pathways as well as functions. That's why both are recommended not one or the other. One will limit gyno and block estrogen from binding to receptors in breast tissue while the other will help re-stimulate normal test production by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus.

Now one final point, you would be better off to run the Adex, or any other Aromatase inhibitor (AI), during the cycle and NOT nolva. As I mentioned above, nolva does not LOWER estrogen levels, it merely blocks it from binding to the receptor. You can still have very bad sides bc you are not controlling the estrogen in your body. So during cycle use the Adex instead as this WILL lower total estrogen, not just keep it from binding.

Hope this helps man, stay safe and good luck!

 

[halfwit]

I do not deadlift

As said any feedback is appreciated, feel free to rip me a new one guys, I'm just looking to learn!

WHAT??!

Do yourself a favor (unless you have an injury that prevents you from doing so) and start doing deadlifts. They're probably the single most beneficial exercise you can do in the gym.

Not trying to be a dick but if the bold part is true why exogenous testosterone use? Test is a chemical and if you're using it outside of a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) script than its def not a "necessity". You don't have to justify anything to me, I'm just trying to make sure you understand the risks inherently associated with AAS use in general.

Test E, being a longer ester than say prop, is usually recommended to be cycled for around 12wks minimum. You won't notice much until the 4-6wk mark and if doing only 10wks that CAN mean only 4wks where you're really making use of the cycle. I'd keep it to 12wks minimum, possibly longer but that's entirely up to you.

The reason you should do clomid and nolva together is that they each do different things in PCT. nolva is an antagonist of estrogen receptors in breast tissue , meaning that it binds to estrogen receptors so estrogen in your body has nothing to attach to. Exogenous test use can raise your estrogen levels, especially if you're physiologically apt to aromatizing test. Nolva is used during PCT because once the supra-physiological test levels drop after a cycle, your body will rebound by creating more estrogen. Nolva therefore blocks most of the excess estrogen you'll be producing from binding to recptors in breast tissue limiting sides of high estrogen.

Clomid on the other hand is a SERM that increases production of gonadotropins by inhibiting negative feedback on the hypothalamus. This means it can up-regulate your the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis (HTPA). Basically it's gets your balls working again to produce your own endogenous test production.

As you can see the two are very different drugs and have different pathways as well as functions. That's why both are recommended not one or the other. One will limit gyno and block estrogen from binding to receptors in breast tissue while the other will help re-stimulate normal test production by blocking estrogen receptors in the hypothalamus.

Now one final point, you would be better off to run the Adex, or any other Aromatase inhibitor (AI), during the cycle and NOT nolva. As I mentioned above, nolva does not LOWER estrogen levels, it merely blocks it from binding to the receptor. You can still have very bad sides bc you are not controlling the estrogen in your body. So during cycle use the Adex instead as this WILL lower total estrogen, not just keep it from binding.

Hope this helps man, stay safe and good luck!

Great post!

 

[Docd187]

WHAT??!

Do yourself a favor (unless you have an injury that prevents you from doing so) and start doing deadlifts. They're probably the single most beneficial exercise you can do in the gym.

Great post!

You're right, deads and squats are probably the two best pure strength building lifts. I've seen an old study where participants did nothing but squats and negative squat work and at the end of the experiment their bench press maxes went up?! That's some crazy shit!! Between these two lifts I'd guess you're working upwards of 90% of the muscles in your body either directly or isometrically. Squats and deads have also been my favorite lifts for years but there's a new one picking up ground quickly: POWER CLEANS. I'm doing them in my training program and while they may not be the best pure strength lift, they are almost unparalleled for power (strength as a function of time) and explosion. The benefits I'm seeing from power cleans are evidenced in the bottom portion of squats where I'm exploding out the bottom better and in deads where it's helped me break the weight off the ground from dead stop (I let go of the bar in between reps so its a true DEADlift.

 

[halfwit]

You're right, deads and squats are probably the two best pure strength building lifts. I've seen an old study where participants did nothing but squats and negative squat work and at the end of the experiment their bench press maxes went up?! That's some crazy shit!! Between these two lifts I'd guess you're working upwards of 90% of the muscles in your body either directly or isometrically. Squats and deads have also been my favorite lifts for years but there's a new one picking up ground quickly: POWER CLEANS. I'm doing them in my training program and while they may not be the best pure strength lift, they are almost unparalleled for power (strength as a function of time) and explosion. The benefits I'm seeing from power cleans are evidenced in the bottom portion of squats where I'm exploding out the bottom better and in deads where it's helped me break the weight off the ground from dead stop (I let go of the bar in between reps so its a true DEADlift.

Yep, strong core = strong isometric exercise capability. I haven't done power cleans in awhile, I miss those and snatch, clean and jerks. Nothing like putting a couple hundred pounds over your head to wake you up!

 

[Savage Tenacity]

hey doc, you raise a good point there. The test would indeed not be a necessity in a sense, good looking out man I appreciate the thought, in addition to clearing up some of the differences with nolva and clomid. Very informative post, definitely feel like I gained some valuable knowledge from reading it. I may look into doing some deadlifts halfwit, I just didnt want to put myself on the shelf with seeing how some family members were effected with lower back pain. But squatting puts pressure in those areas too, and for the most part I'm fine. One last question/concern I do have is overall libido. I have always tended to have somewhat of a higher sex drive, I contribute that to being in the gym a lot. I have read some posts where guys say there libido is killed, other posts where guys say their libido is through the roof. Would HCG help with this? I have read so many positive reviews about N2BM HCGenerate as well. I got a girl with expectations fellas, this is an area I certainly dont want to let her down in! Haha. Any recommendations are appreciated guys.

 

[halfwit]

hey doc, you raise a good point there. The test would indeed not be a necessity in a sense, good looking out man I appreciate the thought, in addition to clearing up some of the differences with nolva and clomid. Very informative post, definitely feel like I gained some valuable knowledge from reading it. I may look into doing some deadlifts halfwit, I just didnt want to put myself on the shelf with seeing how some family members were effected with lower back pain. But squatting puts pressure in those areas too, and for the most part I'm fine. One last question/concern I do have is overall libido. I have always tended to have somewhat of a higher sex drive, I contribute that to being in the gym a lot. I have read some posts where guys say there libido is killed, other posts where guys say their libido is through the roof. Would HCG help with this? I have read so many positive reviews about N2BM HCGenerate as well. I got a girl with expectations fellas, this is an area I certainly dont want to let her down in! Haha. Any recommendations are appreciated guys.

HCG just keeps your balls full while on cycle and can help to stimulate testosterone production after you've been shut down. This is why many recommend a "bast" right before PCT. I personally don't see how it could increase libido as your primary sex hormone while on AAS will already be ridiculously high. If anything, she would be asking you to STOP banging her so much. Hell, my wife now knows that when I'm cycling she has to try to keep her tush from bumping into me at night...or it's GAME ON.

Deadlifts, if done properly will strengthen your back/triceps/quads/hamstrings/forearms/deltoids (to an extent)/abdominal muscles/traps and calves. This will help you to maintain a proper posture when outside the gym and actually help to prevent injury. You just have to know your limits and lift smart. I can't say enough positive things about this exercise! Tip: ALWAYS look UP when performing deadlifts, it helps to keep your spine aligned.

 

[Savage Tenacity]

Hahaha! Thanks for the info halfwit, really helped ease my biggest concern. I'm going to probably start doing some deadlifts, start light and get the form down and see how it works out. I appreciate the comments from everyone, really helped me feel good about this cycle. I'm excited, just gotta study up a bit more on the right kind of pins to use and proper ways to pin, but I'm guessing that will be the easier part. Thanks again for all the help bros

 

[halfwit]

Hahaha! Thanks for the info halfwit, really helped ease my biggest concern. I'm going to probably start doing some deadlifts, start light and get the form down and see how it works out. I appreciate the comments from everyone, really helped me feel good about this cycle. I'm excited, just gotta study up a bit more on the right kind of pins to use and proper ways to pin, but I'm guessing that will be the easier part. Thanks again for all the help bros

My pleasure.

Drawing: 18g-20g 1" or 1.5" is fine.
Pinning: 23-27g 1" will serve most locations, but if you have some junk in the trunk, opt for a 1.5" if you plan on pinning the glutes. http://spotinjections.com/ is a pretty good place to get an idea on locations that are safe. When I started testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), I used:

It's one of the better videos out there and if the fact that a female-to-male can make it look so easy and pain free, a big alpha stud should have no problem. (At least that's what I thought while I was shaking like a leaf the first time. )

 

[Docd187]

HCG just keeps your balls full while on cycle and can help to stimulate testosterone production after you've been shut down. This is why many recommend a "bast" right before PCT. I personally don't see how it could increase libido as your primary sex hormone while on AAS will already be ridiculously high. If anything, she would be asking you to STOP banging her so much. Hell, my wife now knows that when I'm cycling she has to try to keep her tush from bumping into me at night...or it's GAME ON.

Deadlifts, if done properly will strengthen your back/triceps/quads/hamstrings/forearms/deltoids (to an extent)/abdominal muscles/traps and calves. This will help you to maintain a proper posture when outside the gym and actually help to prevent injury. You just have to know your limits and lift smart. I can't say enough positive things about this exercise! Tip: ALWAYS look UP when performing deadlifts, it helps to keep your spine aligned.

Agree with everything here^^^^^. HCG is used to restart your HPTA once it gets shut down, not really used for libido. If you're running a test only first cycle, you're libido should go up not down but your testes size and sperm production can go down. <that's what HCG helps fix. The only thing I would add to halfwit's statement is that when you do dead lifts, don't look so high up that you're hyper-extending your spine. Hyper-extension under load is a sure way to fuck your back up. Look up in a fashion that keeps your spine aligned in a normal anatomical position.

 

[Savage Tenacity]

Haha this could honestly be the handbook on how to run a test e cycle. Once again the help is appreciated fellas. As far as drawing and pinning goes, sounds like i should get at least 24 syringes, 24 18g needles, and 24 25g needles, i'll probably just order in bulk offline. video was very informative, definitely going to continue watching and referencing. cant be too safe with this stuff! Thanks again guys.

 

[Docd187]

Haha this could honestly be the handbook on how to run a test e cycle. Once again the help is appreciated fellas. As far as drawing and pinning goes, sounds like i should get at least 24 syringes, 24 18g needles, and 24 25g needles, i'll probably just order in bulk offline. video was very informative, definitely going to continue watching and referencing. cant be too safe with this stuff! Thanks again guys.

There are some very smart ppl on here who provide a great service to the rest of us and ask for nothing in return. Stick around and you'll recognize who's who. Get a few extra syringes and needles at least in case something happens and you have to throw one or more out. I went with a 20G 1 1/4 to draw (heard the 18G can put holes in the stopper after a while) and am using 23G 1 1/4 to pin (pinning glutes and quads). If you want to pin a smaller muscle go with maybe a 25G needle but also a shorter length (or don't insert all the way).

 

[Savage Tenacity]

thanks doc, plan on sticking around hopefully gain more knowledge and help out others with what knowledge i have and acquire. i have all of my sources, i just got to order everything, do a bit more research, and i should be good to go. Perhaps ill start a log to show how everything goes. Im excited to start!