Bit of advice please, is it possible for me to take steroids?

[Diwrnach]

Hi there, I am 36 years old, only been working out for 6-7 months so not looking to take steroids right away, and i am still overweight, but been researching steroids for awhile, but finding it near impossible to find the information I need on a very specific issue, I wish to in the future use steroids, but I don't think it is possible for me to do so, and been putting this kind of post off for awhile as I am sure I know what answer I will get, but anyway, here goes....

I have heart disease and had a heart attack when I was 27, I am on a concoction of drugs for this, but since then I have been fine, I am now stronger than I have ever been, i am 6 foot 2, and was 21 stone, but down to 18 1/2 stone now, lifting three times a week at home in a power rack etc, when my weight is down, and I have trained for maybe a year or so I really would like to try a few cycles to see what I can do.

Could I take a low dose of steroid to make is easier on my heart? are my heart problems not an issue?

Really want to push myself with steroids, but fear it just isn't possible for me.

Any advice?

 

[Kuukelite]

I wouldn't like to offer you advice as I am still new myself.. I am sure a more experienced guy will pop along soon to answer this. I have read quite a number of articles about the long-term use of steroids weakening your hearts ability pump blood.

You never know what your reading online anymore and if its bullshit, I always come here and ask the experts for advice direct.

I am pretty sure if the guys give you the nod, they will say wait another year or two and get the training experience. I have been lifting for about 5 years and only now I am perfecting my form on lifts and understanding the science behind it. I am on my first cycle and again this is just person experience - my resting heart rate was around 55-60 (first thing in a morning) and its now up to about 70-75 which I am not worried at.

I hope you get a definitive answer

Good luck!

K

 

[DrHouse]

That is a risk that you will have to be willing to take. I'm not saying one way or the other because like Kuu said, I'm not comfortable giving you advice on what to do. A more intelligent individual will give you some valuable feedback. Maybe try a google search for your condition and steroids?

My opinion (please do not utilize this information until you are nearly 100% sure) is that if you're able to do intense training sessions for an extended amount of time, or extended cardio where your heart rate is elevated quite high then you will probably be okay. However, that doesn't mean you shouldn't take EVERY precaution to be safe.

I'm sorry I couldn't give you the "Yeah go for it!" spill, but your health is most important.

 

[frank.tb]

This is a tough one my friend...

I know a lot if members here aren't going to feel comfortable giving you the green light.
In the end it's your decision, but telling a heart attack patient it's ok to take steroids isn't something I'm gonna do. Just for the fact that if you were a loved one if mine I'd tell you to quit being a dumbass. Which I'm sure you would do the same if it was your brother or son in your position. But like I said, your choice in the end.

Only valuable advice I can give you is IF you do decide to cycle, stick with a standard Test cycle. And control estrogen to keep down blood pressure.

Stay away from orals as most of them have a negative effect on blood pressure and cholesterol that's usually managed well by a healthy person cycling with the right on cycle supplements. But being a heart attack patient, I'd say steer clear or orals such as Dbol, Anavar, tbol, etc...

Also EQ is a big fat fucking NO for you my friend...thickens your blood like crazy and blood pressure would be through the roof. EQ is an injectable steroid in case you didn't know.

Also, IF you decide to cycle, make sure you get blood work done before cycle, in the middle of the cycle, and 3 weeks after PCT to make sure everything is within a normal range. In talking full scale blood test. And I'd say you would need to donate blood mid cycle in your situation. All steroids raise your red blood cell count. I'm not sure what the regulations are for donating blood and having a heart attack on your medical record. But IF your doc says it's ok to donate blood then you NEED to during your cycle if you choose to cycle.

Anyway, stick with test, and test only if you decide to cycle and make sure you take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to control estrogen levels. And have a proper pct lined up. Do your research and read so many threads and stickys on here that your eyes fall out.

Best of luck.

 

[bushleaguechew]

Personally I wouldn't risk it if I had a heart condition. Cardiomegaly is always a risk of taking AAS, not to mention the blood pressure increases if your estrogen isn't managed properly.

 

[Megatron28]

As careful as you try to be you can't avoid all the ill effects. It is one thing for a healthy 29 year old, but when you already have a serious underlying health problem you really need to think twice.

Hematocrit will go up making it harder for your heart to pump blood. And over time, the extra rbc's take their toll on your arteries.

Estrogen, which comes with taking Test, will cause you to retain water and bloat. This too will make things a little harder for your heart.

The added muscle you will gain also will stress your hear a little more.

Your lipid profile will be affected. This too over time can be an issue if you already have an underlying problem.

Who knows what effect some of the ancillary meds you will need to take can have on your heart. And make sure you research any meds you will be taking to see if they play nicely with any meds you are currently on.

It is a lot to think about. Make sure the pros far outweigh the cons. Make sure you r heart is up to the added stress and you understand all the risks. There are no guarantees. And absolutely make sure you have more than enough life insurance for you family and it is paid in full. Have disability and long-term care insurance policies too on case something happens.

 

[enzo321]

Go get evaluated by a doctor - you might be testosterone replacement therapy eligible, but it's a life long commitment.

 

[Diwrnach]

Thanks a lot for the replys, you pretty much said what I expected, guess i need to stay natural and do the best I can

I have tried to research this online, but any search you do with heart and steroids in it comes up with dangers of taking them rather than taking them when already having a dicky ticker.

Was thinking I might be able to take a low dose of something over a longer time period or something.

Might mention it to the docs but I know what they will say

Oh and no way on earth I am low on testosterone to qualify for any kind of therapy for it.

 

[frank.tb]

Thanks a lot for the replys, you pretty much said what I expected, guess i need to stay natural and do the best I can

I have tried to research this online, but any search you do with heart and steroids in it comes up with dangers of taking them rather than taking them when already having a dicky ticker.

Was thinking I might be able to take a low dose of something over a longer time period or something.

Might mention it to the docs but I know what they will say

Oh and no way on earth I am low on testosterone to qualify for any kind of therapy for it.

Well if you aren't low T then you should be able to make satisfying progress. Invest the money in a diet/nutrition coach. In the end that's the most important part.

 

[Diwrnach]

Yeah, I am making amazing gains already, my wife is amazed how big I am getting so quickly, but I would like to get huge, and huge doesn't happen without help

 

[frank.tb]

Yeah, I am making amazing gains already, my wife is amazed how big I am getting so quickly, but I would like to get huge, and huge doesn't happen without help

Well best of luck brother

 

[enzo321]

Thanks a lot for the replys, you pretty much said what I expected, guess i need to stay natural and do the best I can

I have tried to research this online, but any search you do with heart and steroids in it comes up with dangers of taking them rather than taking them when already having a dicky ticker.

Was thinking I might be able to take a low dose of something over a longer time period or something.

Might mention it to the docs but I know what they will say

Oh and no way on earth I am low on testosterone to qualify for any kind of therapy for it.

No offense, but you're old - you probably qualify. Get it checked out with an endocrinologist so they they can jump your test to a 21 year old.

 

[Diwrnach]

Fair enough I will get it checked out, though I would be surprised if I am low, but I will trust your judgement and go get tested

 

[enzo321]

Fair enough I will get it checked out, though I would be surprised if I am low, but I will trust your judgement and go get tested

Depends where you live too - if you're in a conservative part of the states it might not happen, but a more liberal city/state might be more willing.

Always nice to have complete blood work done to make sure you don't have high cholesterol, prediabetes, etc...

Wait for Obamacare to get into affect, and use it to your advantage.

 

[halfwit]

No offense, but you're old - you probably qualify. Get it checked out with an endocrinologist so they they can jump your test to a 21 year old.

36 is OLD? LOL

They have some damn fine koolaid down there at the university or what? hah!

OP: Sure, get your hormone levels checked - but I'd stay away from supraphysiological levels of test or any other AAS that isn't doctor supervised. We don't want your wife to come hunt us down for putting you in the ground because someone put the idea in your head that the risk is worth it. You can achieve quite the physique naturally with hard work and determination.

My .02c

 

[enzo321]

36 is OLD? LOL

They have some damn fine koolaid down there at the university or what? hah!

OP: Sure, get your hormone levels checked - but I'd stay away from supraphysiological levels of test or any other AAS that isn't doctor supervised. We don't want your wife to come hunt us down for putting you in the ground because someone put the idea in your head that the risk is worth it. You can achieve quite the physique naturally with hard work and determination.

My .02c

Just cause you're dating a 20 something, drive a corvette, and on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doesn't mean you're not old, Mr. Halfwit


It's old in the sense your endocrine system won't get any better.

 

[halfwit]

Just cause you're dating a 20 something, drive a corvette, and on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doesn't mean you're not old, Mr. Halfwit


It's old in the sense your endocrine system won't get any better.

What if I'm driving a scion, banging a mid-30's woman and am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)?

Christ, now I'm depressed. Hate you.

 

[Rumpy]

Yeah, shut up Halfy, You think you're depressed, I'm a couple of years away from banging a 50 yo. But don't worry, it only gets worse, and it will happen to you. I'll have the nurse wheel me over to the window and I'll think of you and laugh, I mean if I remember.

OP, any amount of AAS will shut you down. A low dose is as hard to recover from as a normal dose, and longer run times make it even harder. If you have good natty test I would not risk that by running a long, low dose cycle. But that has nothing to do with your heart. I don't think anyone here can really answer that. It brings up the whole 'do I tell my doctor' dilemma, and I just don't know. If I was giving someone else advice, I would say ONLY do it with doctor supervision, however, if I were doing it myself, I would probably just keep my mouth shut and run a basic 500mg for 12 weeks cycle. Not saying you should, just being honest about my poor judgment.

 

[halfwit]

Yeah, shut up Halfy, You think you're depressed, I'm a couple of years away from banging a 50 yo. But don't worry, it only gets worse, and it will happen to you. I'll have the nurse wheel me over to the window and I'll think of you and laugh, I mean if I remember.

And I suddenly feel better, I think...

Ahhh, deriving happiness from the misery of others - delicious.

 

[Rumpy]

When ever you're felling down, just remember I'm older, closer to death, shorter, weaker, and fatter than you. AND, you have a pineapple under the sea.