Bulk like the Hulk

[3DRanger87]

Hey all, as many of you are aware I'm starting my cycle on tuesday and am looking for some pointers on mass gaining routines that worked for you guys. My issue is over training as I'll easily be in the gym for two hours 5-6 days a week which is great for my body fat levels, 6 foot, 190lbs and only 12-13% as of right now but I'm looking to gain as much weight as possible in the next three months. Willing to throw on BF%, just want to bulk up for winter. My diet is heavy and healthy and consistent along with a healthy sleeping pattern. Easily go through 3,500-4,000 Cals a day. 1,000-1,200 from shakes, the rest from food.
Also taking Creatine supplements (2 Weeks on, 2 Weeks off).

Like I said earlier in the post it's actually less of my diet that I'm concerned with and more so with my workout routine, I sweat like a mofo and go relatively hard for 2 hours each day so I know that I'm burning up a large amount of calories. I don't feel over worked aside from the typical soreness that we all feel.

Looking forward to your input and routines, I'll hold off on the gym for a little bit and see if you guys can come up with something before I head to golds

Here's my stack

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 35mg/Day
Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 560mg/Week
Weeks 1-14 Equipoise 480mg/Week
Hcg 250iu x2 Week
Clomid 100/50/50/25


Thanks Bromos

 

[rimito]

i would up the dbol to 50mg a day and i would eat more! 3500-4000 a day just from food!! then 1000 from shakes
never count shakes as anything....think of it as a dessert
once you finished your 4000 cal a day you throw in some xtra

and why not run the test at 600mg?

 

[snobE1226]

I dont do any research on Eq, but it doesn't seem to make sense to me that your dropping the test 2 weeks before the EQ.. Obviously you know your overtraining at those levels and need to let your body recover more! And as far as your diet, sounds pretty light to me for trying to bulk, and like he said, try not to count on those shakes to do much for your caloric intake.. Might want to add some nolva to your pct..

 

[3DRanger87]

I dont do any research on Eq, but it doesn't seem to make sense to me that your dropping the test 2 weeks before the EQ.. Obviously you know your overtraining at those levels and need to let your body recover more! And as far as your diet, sounds pretty light to me for trying to bulk, and like he said, try not to count on those shakes to do much for your caloric intake.. Might want to add some nolva to your pct..

It didn't to me either but there have been a few guys on the site who said that my eq needs to run two weeks after my last pin of test. I start tomorrow and am going to do some more research tonight before I make any decisions but am leaning towards running both at 14 weeks. Cut my 2 hours into an hour of absolute madness today in the gym, actually pretty damn sore from it too. Just switched up my routines again to try and confuse my body a little bit more. Also upped my intake to 3,500 cals today so far with dinner yet to come. + Another 1,500 from my shakes so I should be around 5,500 by the end of today, lol. I feel like a fucking fat kid

 

[Big Hungry]

I read this in another thread somewhere on here and thought id post it. When you up your calories before your gear kicks in u could gain unwanted bf and to wait a lil longer than week one or two too raise calories.

 

[monk32]

I dont do any research on Eq, but it doesn't seem to make sense to me that your dropping the test 2 weeks before the EQ.. Obviously you know your overtraining at those levels and need to let your body recover more! And as far as your diet, sounds pretty light to me for trying to bulk, and like he said, try not to count on those shakes to do much for your caloric intake.. Might want to add some nolva to your pct..

does the so-called "overtraining" will hinder the gains while on cycle?
even when you dont feel over worked aside from the typical soreness that we all feel like what TS has mentioned??
i am in a situation where I eat 4400 calories and yet not gain much body weight or fats...so wondering about "overtraining" as I thought when you are on cycle, your body recovered faster and you can hit your muscles more and harder...

 

[R1rider]

Hey all, as many of you are aware I'm starting my cycle on tuesday and am looking for some pointers on mass gaining routines that worked for you guys. My issue is over training as I'll easily be in the gym for two hours 5-6 days a week which is great for my body fat levels, 6 foot, 190lbs and only 9.0% as of right now but I'm looking to gain as much weight as possible in the next three months. Willing to throw on BF%, just want to bulk up for winter. My diet is heavy and healthy and consistent along with a healthy sleeping pattern. Easily go through 3,500-4,000 Cals a day. 1,000-1,200 from shakes, the rest from food.
Also taking Creatine supplements (2 Weeks on, 2 Weeks off).

Like I said earlier in the post it's actually less of my diet that I'm concerned with and more so with my workout routine, I sweat like a mofo and go relatively hard for 2 hours each day so I know that I'm burning up a large amount of calories. I don't feel over worked aside from the typical soreness that we all feel.

Looking forward to your input and routines, I'll hold off on the gym for a little bit and see if you guys can come up with something before I head to golds

Here's my stack

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 35mg/Day
Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 560mg/Week
Weeks 1-14 Equipoise 480mg/Week
Hcg 250iu x2 Week
Clomid 100/50/50/25


Thanks Bromos

i would bump the dbol to 50mg also

Eq is a waste imo, but If your going to run EQ run it @ 6-800mg for the 14 weeks. watch the bp

you need more calories from food. you could add more calories by eating a little bit of junk food now and then. a little micky ds, pizza, hitting up a buffet will help with the gains and is not bad for you

your 6 foot and 190lbs, so eat up brother

i would also recommend working out eod and no more than an hour, this will help you pack on more mass. try to incorporate squat/bench/ dead lift into your regime. gains are made away from the gym. focus more on diet and recovery

 

[snobE1226]

"A waiting time of around 3 weeks is required before starting post cycle therapy (pct), enabling enough of the drug to clear one***8217;s system to make post cycle therapy (pct) effective." This is from the profile on here, it also says to run it for 12 weeks, so I would run it for 12 weeks and test 13 weeks based on this info. This way you could start post cycle therapy (pct) 2 weeks after last test pin and both should be cleared enough for post cycle therapy (pct) to be gtg. But If someone with some experience with it wants to correct me feel free.

 

[Chainman]

Drop the creatine if your going to do the EQ, your blood will be like honey from the EQ and the creatine makes it worse. IMO

 

[losieloos]

Hate eq

 

[Jack Tors]

post up your diet
meal1 meal2 etc....

the cycle is weird how many have u done?

 

[TheChosenOne]

My first cycle was test/eq. I now realize that 90% of my gains from that cycle were from the testosterone. Definitely look into making this cycle as long as possible. You seem like a smart dude to me. If you can run at least 16 weeks of both compounds, it would be a great cycle. Just make sure your getting blood work done to check your hematocrit levels.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Also, you don't need to worry so much about over training. When your younger, you can get away with over training a little more. If you are getting plenty of sleep it will help with over training. Keep us posted.

 

[ardbeg]

Hey all, as many of you are aware I'm starting my cycle on tuesday and am looking for some pointers on mass gaining routines that worked for you guys. My issue is over training as I'll easily be in the gym for two hours 5-6 days a week which is great for my body fat levels, 6 foot, 190lbs and only 9.0% as of right now but I'm looking to gain as much weight as possible in the next three months. Willing to throw on BF%, just want to bulk up for winter.

6', 190 is kind of small, but I guess you're training pretty hard. Frankly, I think you need to rest a little more, but some people's 2 hours in the gym is someone else's 30 minutes.

Like I said earlier in the post it's actually less of my diet that I'm concerned with and more so with my workout routine, I sweat like a mofo and go relatively hard for 2 hours each day so I know that I'm burning up a large amount of calories. I don't feel over worked aside from the typical soreness that we all feel.

One of the interesting things about overtraining (which is kind of a myth; the real problem is "under-recovery") is that it actually makes you feel less sore. That is, the harder you work, the more often you work, the less sore you will feel -- until you stop. Then you'll hit a wall, your cortisol levels will go crazy, you'll have trouble sleeping, and DOMS will kick your ass. If you're training right. The problem is, you're feeling pretty good training that much, so you don't know to stop. It requires discipline. You have to not be quite so greedy. Personally, I think you're over training.

The other thing here is that it's broscience that sweat = calories. Sure, there's a correlation between increased body temperature and increased energy expenditure, but the weight loss you see from a giant sweat is of course water weight. The real weightloss comes from the metabolic effects after the workout.

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 35mg/Day
Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 560mg/Week
Weeks 1-14 Equipoise 480mg/Week
Hcg 250iu x2 Week
Clomid 100/50/50/25

looks good to me -- I assume this is not your first cycle. I'm kind of curious about the dbol, though. Are you being kinda greedy? (that's okay, of course, but don't just be taking it because you think you need it) And of course you'll retain water and get bloated with the dbol, which kind of conflicts with what you say earlier in the same post about not wanting to get big and stay-puft.

edit: what's with the eq going two weeks longer? and why cyp not enanthate? the dosage looks okay to me on the eq, but what are you trying to get out of it?

Anyways, rest a little more. Have a look at this article:

Lift Big Eat Big: Training Hard & Smart

and this article:

Lift Big Eat Big: Do You Really Need 48-72hrs Between Workouts?

They're pretty good perspective on recovery for people who train really hard.

 

[3DRanger87]

post up your diet
meal1 meal2 etc....

the cycle is weird how many have u done?

Mon-Sun

Wake up at

6 A.M.- Some kind of fruit, usually a banana. Take my B12 vitamin and my Tri-Flex. Go for an easy 45min jog.
7 A.M.- Pancakes, 3 Eggs, stack of bacon. With side of real yogurt/w almonds. + Protein Shake

12 P.M.- Lighter protein (Chicken or fish), W/vegetables and fruit.

2 P.M. - Head off to gym, Make a post workout shake + Post workout creatine supplement.
4 P.M. - Down both shakes.

6 P.M. - Heavier protein (Red Meat/Pork) ,vegetables, another shake.

8 P.M. - PB&J W/Milk - Been doing that since high school lol

10 P.M. Left Overs from Dinner along with my heavy night time recovery shake.

10:30 P.M. Sleep

Keep in mind that this is my minimum amount of intake, I'm always munching on something. Usually almonds or pb&j's. And I'll go through a gallon of milk every two days.

Also this is my second, I realized that dropping the test before the eq is stupid so I'm not doing that anymore. What looks weird to you ? Thanks.

 

[3DRanger87]

Also, you don't need to worry so much about over training. When your younger, you can get away with over training a little more. If you are getting plenty of sleep it will help with over training. Keep us posted.

Thanks for the advice CO, I had to push my start date to this coming up monday so I'll let you all know how things are going in a few weeks. Would you recommend lowering my dosages and running for two weeks longer ?

 

[3DRanger87]

6', 190 is kind of small, but I guess you're training pretty hard. Frankly, I think you need to rest a little more, but some people's 2 hours in the gym is someone else's 30 minutes.




One of the interesting things about overtraining (which is kind of a myth; the real problem is "under-recovery") is that it actually makes you feel less sore. That is, the harder you work, the more often you work, the less sore you will feel -- until you stop. Then you'll hit a wall, your cortisol levels will go crazy, you'll have trouble sleeping, and DOMS will kick your ass. If you're training right. The problem is, you're feeling pretty good training that much, so you don't know to stop. It requires discipline. You have to not be quite so greedy. Personally, I think you're over training.

The other thing here is that it's broscience that sweat = calories. Sure, there's a correlation between increased body temperature and increased energy expenditure, but the weight loss you see from a giant sweat is of course water weight. The real weightloss comes from the metabolic effects after the workout.



looks good to me -- I assume this is not your first cycle. I'm kind of curious about the dbol, though. Are you being kinda greedy? (that's okay, of course, but don't just be taking it because you think you need it) And of course you'll retain water and get bloated with the dbol, which kind of conflicts with what you say earlier in the same post about not wanting to get big and stay-puft.

edit: what's with the eq going two weeks longer? and why cyp not enanthate? the dosage looks okay to me on the eq, but what are you trying to get out of it?

Anyways, rest a little more. Have a look at this article:

Lift Big Eat Big: Training Hard & Smart

and this article:

Lift Big Eat Big: Do You Really Need 48-72hrs Between Workouts?

They're pretty good perspective on recovery for people who train really hard.

Yeah I'm determined to hit and stay at the 205 mark by the time I'm done with this. I'm not a skinny skinny guy but am definitely on the leaner side. Which sucks because I'd rather be built like a brick shit house, ah well. For the whole bloating thing that's just me being greedy, I've never ran dbol and was at first a bit intimidated by the compound but I've done some more research and have become much more comfortable with it. As for the whole eq > test thing someone gave me advice to run it two weeks longer than the test but I'm not doing that anymore. I went with test c because that's what the gear man had for sale.

Thanks for the links and advice I really appreciate it.