Bulking cycle

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Alright...well I have some gear stock piled and some I want to use but dunno if it would be better...

I have 30mL of test e at 300mg/mL which is enough for a 15 week cycle @ 600mg/wk...

I have never used Sustanon (sust) before tho and I kind of want to try it out, I could run a 16 week cycle with 1350mg frontload and then 810mg/wk for 2-16.


I know I am going to use tren a in this cycle, but I was told to use it the last 6 weeks and not the first...which I thought was odd because I was always informed to use it in the first 6...


I know NPP doesn't stack well with tren, but what if I was to use NPP in this cycle at a different time?

So my options are this:


test e 600mg/wk 1-15
tren a 100mg eod 10-15

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test e 600mg/wk 1-15
NPP 150mg eod wk 1-6
tren a 100mg eod wk 10-15

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Sustanon (sust) 1350mg wk 1
Sustanon (sust) 810mg wk 2-16
tren a wk 11-16

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Sustanon (sust) 1350mg wk 1
Sustanon (sust) 810mg/wk 2-16
NPP 150mg eod wk 1-6
tren a wk 11-16



Which do you guys think I should run, and why? I know I have test-e lying around, but if it would result in a better cycle using Sustanon (sust) I would GLADLY buy some. Im gonna buy tren either way and my source has good cheap Sustanon (sust) @ 270mg/mL and Im down for spending a bit of $$


edit-i think im gonna go with the sust/npp/tren

edit2-about the tren...I would need cabergoline and letrozole on hand or I would actually need to take them while on tren? And at what dosage? I want both cuz i know they have synergy

 

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bump

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

what are your stats workout history and cycle experience?

 

[Hcc5881]

i think npp is better than tren for bulking. i would run that throughout over tren.

 

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I'll be 24 when I run this cycle.

Ive done a couple cycles in the past, my most recent was test e 12 weeks @ 750mg/wk with weeks 1-4 30mg dbol daily and then weeks 7-14 100mg of anavar daily

I've been lifting since I was 15...lifting seriously since I was probably late 16 or fresh 17...

stats are 5'8'' 187lbs. and shitty excuse but I've lost weight this summer which is why I'm planning a winter bulking cycle

and I always run longer cycles cuz my body has a delayed reaction to everything...even shorter esters take longer than average to kick in for me. I have never front loaded tho so I really wanna try that with the Sustanon (sust) this cycle. Ive used kickstarts like dbol in my latest cycle tho... I hate the long waiting period between the stoppage of Sustanon (sust) and post cycle therapy (pct) which is the only reason the test e cycle is even on the board atm



and uhhh... npp<tren

 

[Hcc5881]

tren > npp? as far as what? as far as strenght and vascularity. yes. as far as mass, no. This is a BULKING cycle. but have your way.

 

[DADAWG]

I'll be 24 when I run this cycle.

Ive done a couple cycles in the past, my most recent was test e 12 weeks @ 750mg/wk with weeks 1-4 30mg dbol daily and then weeks 7-14 100mg of anavar daily

I've been lifting since I was 15...lifting seriously since I was probably late 16 or fresh 17...

stats are 5'8'' 187lbs. and shitty excuse but I've lost weight this summer which is why I'm planning a winter bulking cycle

and I always run longer cycles cuz my body has a delayed reaction to everything...even shorter esters take longer than average to kick in for me. I have never front loaded tho so I really wanna try that with the Sustanon (sust) this cycle. Ive used kickstarts like dbol in my latest cycle tho... I hate the long waiting period between the stoppage of Sustanon (sust) and post cycle therapy (pct) which is the only reason the test e cycle is even on the board atm



and uhhh... npp<tren

i dont like that big front load of susts . what do you think that the sa=ust will give you that the eth doesnt because in the end TEST IS TEST .


thats to much gear for a guy who weighs a buck eighty . ectra gear does NOT make up for low calories.
if you insist on running all 3 compounds then back the dose of test off to 400 mg IMO .

i doubt you need caber at those doses and letro is to harsh and will drop estrogen to low . instead try 6.25-12.5 mg of aromasin a day .

you didnt mention post cycle therapy (pct) , do you have a post cycle therapy (pct) plan ?

 

[supersafado]

Is it just me or does 1350 of Sustanon (sust) sound like a lot?

 

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i dont like that big front load of susts . what do you think that the sa=ust will give you that the eth doesnt because in the end TEST IS TEST .


thats to much gear for a guy who weighs a buck eighty . ectra gear does NOT make up for low calories.
if you insist on running all 3 compounds then back the dose of test off to 400 mg IMO .

i doubt you need caber at those doses and letro is to harsh and will drop estrogen to low . instead try 6.25-12.5 mg of aromasin a day .

you didnt mention post cycle therapy (pct) , do you have a post cycle therapy (pct) plan ?

Yea I always have a post cycle therapy (pct) plan. However, I make my post cycle therapy (pct) plans after I actually decide on what I'm running.

I've never tried Sustanon (sust) but I have a couple people telling me they gained slightly more overall on Sustanon (sust) and had an easier time keeping more on than when on test e. I mean I can kind of see the plausibility of that due to the short esters kicking in early while the long esters kick in later so you are making gains for a longer period of time in the cycle...But idk if that is how it actually works


And I'm "light" but I'm also fairly short with <10% BF. But I'm not gonna deny the fact that I should be bigger, hasn't been a great summer for lifting for me. Tho I suppose you have a point, smaller guy less gear needed... and it sucks because I'm smaller now than I was in spring...

And as far as I know, aromasin cant deal with prolactin gyno? I'm not prone to gyno from my experience but I've never taken anything that affects prolactin levels

Is it just me or does 1350 of Sustanon (sust) sound like a lot?

It is.

 

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Upon further thought I think I'm gonna stick with test e as I know how my body reacts to it and I already have it, so I would be saving quite a bit of money.

I'm not gonna lower the dosage to 400mg/wk because of my experiences in the past, I'm not saying 400mg/wk is low, but it just isn't for me. I may, however, lower it to 400mg/wk once I go on tren since tren is far more androgenic and will "out power", so to speak, the test e so there would be no point in keeping it at higher levels.

I think the Sustanon (sust) is for a cycle at a later time. I just wanted to satisfy my curiousity xP

 

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thats to much gear for a guy who weighs a buck eighty

You saved me the trouble of climbing up on my soap box....again!

I don't need to train legs this week with all the soap box step ups I've been doing as of late!

 

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alright...well i'll see how things work out

 

[PapiChuloThrawn]

Good luck. Keep us posted.

 

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So impatient...cant wait any longer >.<