Can you over do pct?

[djm6464]

real simple.......i believe the simpler the better, the job is to restore hpta function, not start another cycle

im a serm guy, altho i agree it is not warranted all the time, just i havent run anything lately that id be comfortable with oct stuff

pct of choice is torem + daa(tcf1/tf2) + anti cort.....thats it (ill run the daa past the serm a few weeks)

i see some pct for a 4week hdrol cycle that has everything but the kitchen sink, 4 t boosters and anti e, creatine, no2 stuff, viagra, and so on

vote, n post where you stand

 

[Rodja]

You can do too much to crush estrogen and fuck up your lipids even further, but that's the only thing you can really "overdo."

 

[07Lane40]

i think you CAN over do it. but for certain cycles more seems necessary.

my pct right now consists of clomid and vit c (cortisol control) and short intense workouts (courtesy of superpump).

I really dont get those guys who run like 10 different things for their pct... jmo...

 

[hatefulONE]

Besides these dumb ph/ds cycles people create, if you are running real gear just do torem and then resveratrol I'd add. I like torem for 4 weeks, resveratrol for 4 weeks starting week 3 of pct.

 

[BigBlackguy]

It would be hard to overdo it. Stacking more products won't necessarily overdo it (phytotest, tcf-1, toco-8 all raise test in their own way so they stack well) but if you start double dosing products, especially DAA, it's not really going to help as much.

 

[tjkita]

Time on = time off??

Newby here and have a question. If time on = time off then if you run a 6-8 week cycle (of dieselbolan) then post cycle therapy (pct) with clomid for 50/50/25/25 then that's only 4 weeks off. So then you should stay off for another 4 weeks without post cycle therapy (pct)??

Thanks

 

[Rodja]

Time off=Time on+PCT

8 weeks on=8 weeks off in addition to your PCT.

 

[BigBlackguy]

Time off=Time on+PCT

8 weeks on=8 weeks off in addition to your PCT.

This.

It's also individual. Maybe you can start sooner, maybe you need to wait longer. Blood work is a great tool

 

[tjkita]

Bbg

Thanks BBG, planning on getting blood work done after PCT. If levels are normal then I can start back on next cycle then right? Dieselbolan is a rather mild AAS, with few sides, so I am expecting a quick recovery time.?

 

[djm6464]

Thanks BBG, planning on getting blood work done after PCT. If levels are normal then I can start back on next cycle then right? Dieselbolan is a rather mild AAS, with few sides, so I am expecting a quick recovery time.?

did you read the answer??? its no....min 10wks after the end of your pct

 

[Rodja]

This.

It's also individual. Maybe you can start sooner, maybe you need to wait longer. Blood work is a great tool

Very true. I am going off the rule of thumb without having bloodwork. Honestly, I overshoot my time off just to err on the side of caution and to keep my receptors healthy. Too many use AAS as a mental crutch and believe it's the only way they can continue to make progress. The problem is that most people don't get smarter with their training.

 

[tjkita]

10 wks

Sounds good, I will err on the side of caution as well. Don't want to mess up my body. Any suggestions on an alternate to Bridge for PCT? Can't find it online.

 

[BigBlackguy]

Sounds good, I will err on the side of caution as well. Don't want to mess up my body. Any suggestions on an alternate to Bridge for PCT? Can't find it online.

Throw in some TCF-1. DAA is amazing in PCT.

 

[djm6464]

Sounds good, I will err on the side of caution as well. Don't want to mess up my body. Any suggestions on an alternate to Bridge for PCT? Can't find it online.

good job.....i dont know what bridge is, but anything DAA + serm is excellent for pct....i use it after 13wk inj cycle, im sure after a hdrol cycle your balls will swell up real fast and have your hpta back quickly too

 

[tjkita]

Tcf-1

Thanks I'm going to try the TCF-1 as part of my post cycle therapy (pct) along with the clomid. Thanks for the input.

 

[grndslam]

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[mdm670]

I had this same question - just finished a first time PH cycle of Dragon (apparently comparable to Cynostane). I had 10 lbs of gains on my 200 lb frame on a 4 week cycle. Guy that sold it to me said PCT would not be necessary but then other posters I read on a few forums said it would be necessary. Considering I had some noticeable gains I agreed with them to err on the side of caution. For PCT, I started to run Clomid at 100mg ED but discontinued within 3 days with the infamous headaches. Switched to Nolva at 20gms ED. With both I have also been running an OTC product called Advanced PCT from Anabolic X.

Question is this: I am not seeing any drop off in my gains after two weeks into PCT, and am, in fact, still seeing mild increases in lifts, but, more poignantly, I am also waking up in the night now since adding the Nolva so stiff that I can't even pee when sitting down, leaning forward almost to the floor and tucking my junk under the inside of the lid! Is this common when using Nolva, or am I massively overdoing my PCT for a mild PH?

Thanks in advance, gents!

 

[HULKSMASH2099]

daa is D-Aspartic Acid usually combined with magnesiun raise and optimize natural test levels, is very effective in cycle and alone as well as pct, i know this post is ancient but i didn't see one answer hope it helps someone....