That's the new kid on the block: citrulline (malate).
Big guys are bottling & capsulating by the tons already & gossip is sky high.
Here's my personal perspective:
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I looked at that citrulline liquid "new" product and i have 2 things to say:
1 liquid supplements are very controversial as for effectiveness. Many have been proven to be just wishful thinking (EX liquid creatines )
2 the malate part i think comes from binding with malic acid ( a filler used in proteins etc along with xantham gum etc ).... as with any "ate" ( orotate from orotic acid etc ), that just means using the relative acid as a binder/carrier.
From time to time these fillers/additives get resurrected as miracle compounds.
TRI CREATINE malate (!) was right on another creatine wonder
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Tri-Creatine Malate comprises of molecular bonded Creatine and Malic acid. The bond is broken in stomach acid to release pure Creatine(not creatine monohydrate) and Malic acid. Both of which are then immediately absorbed through the intestine. The beauty of this stunning new Creatine salt is the fact that it contains Malic acid. Malic acid supports energy production that is essential for proper muscle performance, and allows the body to produce ATP more efficiently. Furthermore, Malic acid acts as a catalyst to the Krebs cycle where fats and glucose are converted into energy. This truly is the future of Creatine.
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http://www.sports-supplements.co.uk/uk-pages/newsupps/2003/2003-07-reflex-trimatrix.php
as you can see, the malic acid is just another "buffering" /fizzing agent ( how many of those have we had already? )
Do you remember when everybody was adding "Krebs cycle intermediates" to ANY supplement?
how long?
8 years ago?
Not a big wow on my side although ( as everybody else ) i'm not triple Ph.D in molecular engineering.
3 If you want citrulline ( the secret from watermelon ), then go get it at beyond-a-century.com for 25$/100g powder.
Yea you'll have to encapsulate it yourself but think of the saving.
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someone pointed me to
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=186015&highlight=citruline+malate
and here is my feedback
............
i basically think:
1 some try to push the old&worn-out " hey! our compound *is* a DRUG! they've been selling on Jupiter as such for years! Come stocking before the FDA closes the loophole!"
;-)
yea as i showed with picamilone, serrapeptase etc, they do are sold as drugs somewhere, costing 10x or 20x the price i pay for the compound.
As with Picamilone, they are CONVINCED it is a "different" compound....
yet they admit that's a GABA based wonder sold as a drug in Russia but not Picamilone....
Yea, how many GABA based russian drug are being released to the USA at once?!
Someone pointed out (as i did) that malic acid is just another filler/additive.
Of course some would reply " our compound made of 2 chemicals [ malic acid + citrulline ] is better than the 2 compounds alone or altogether ".
hmmm
Reminds me of the dozens of wonder creatine salts, which made the news long ago....and none lasted long.
Plus all the gossip about the "drug"....
here laws differ from the USA & any donkey can just take an ages old product (say ibuprufen/aspirin etc ), clog it with fillers, then file a patent for that "new compound! and don't bother me with saying it's good ole aspirin coz our overfilled compound is better than aspirin alone cuz of proprietary delivery ".
Thus you've 789 trademarks for aspirin.
Citrulline has long ago been introduced by BAC.
I will try it sometimes.
As with most supplements, some will be delighted; many will be pleased; few will say it's bullsh!t.
A last line about the "hey! look ! that's a drug! come before the FDA catches us! ":
here many compounds that are OTC dirty cheap in the USA, are "prescription-only" and cost 20x.
And i'm talking about ibuprufen, famotidine, imodium, etc, not 1-test.
.......
Big guys are bottling & capsulating by the tons already & gossip is sky high.
Here's my personal perspective:
..........
I looked at that citrulline liquid "new" product and i have 2 things to say:
1 liquid supplements are very controversial as for effectiveness. Many have been proven to be just wishful thinking (EX liquid creatines )
2 the malate part i think comes from binding with malic acid ( a filler used in proteins etc along with xantham gum etc ).... as with any "ate" ( orotate from orotic acid etc ), that just means using the relative acid as a binder/carrier.
From time to time these fillers/additives get resurrected as miracle compounds.
TRI CREATINE malate (!) was right on another creatine wonder
.........
Tri-Creatine Malate comprises of molecular bonded Creatine and Malic acid. The bond is broken in stomach acid to release pure Creatine(not creatine monohydrate) and Malic acid. Both of which are then immediately absorbed through the intestine. The beauty of this stunning new Creatine salt is the fact that it contains Malic acid. Malic acid supports energy production that is essential for proper muscle performance, and allows the body to produce ATP more efficiently. Furthermore, Malic acid acts as a catalyst to the Krebs cycle where fats and glucose are converted into energy. This truly is the future of Creatine.
...........
http://www.sports-supplements.co.uk/uk-pages/newsupps/2003/2003-07-reflex-trimatrix.php
as you can see, the malic acid is just another "buffering" /fizzing agent ( how many of those have we had already? )
Do you remember when everybody was adding "Krebs cycle intermediates" to ANY supplement?
how long?
8 years ago?
Not a big wow on my side although ( as everybody else ) i'm not triple Ph.D in molecular engineering.
3 If you want citrulline ( the secret from watermelon ), then go get it at beyond-a-century.com for 25$/100g powder.
Yea you'll have to encapsulate it yourself but think of the saving.
..........
someone pointed me to
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=186015&highlight=citruline+malate
and here is my feedback
............
i basically think:
1 some try to push the old&worn-out " hey! our compound *is* a DRUG! they've been selling on Jupiter as such for years! Come stocking before the FDA closes the loophole!"
;-)
yea as i showed with picamilone, serrapeptase etc, they do are sold as drugs somewhere, costing 10x or 20x the price i pay for the compound.
As with Picamilone, they are CONVINCED it is a "different" compound....
yet they admit that's a GABA based wonder sold as a drug in Russia but not Picamilone....
Yea, how many GABA based russian drug are being released to the USA at once?!
Someone pointed out (as i did) that malic acid is just another filler/additive.
Of course some would reply " our compound made of 2 chemicals [ malic acid + citrulline ] is better than the 2 compounds alone or altogether ".
hmmm
Reminds me of the dozens of wonder creatine salts, which made the news long ago....and none lasted long.
Plus all the gossip about the "drug"....
here laws differ from the USA & any donkey can just take an ages old product (say ibuprufen/aspirin etc ), clog it with fillers, then file a patent for that "new compound! and don't bother me with saying it's good ole aspirin coz our overfilled compound is better than aspirin alone cuz of proprietary delivery ".
Thus you've 789 trademarks for aspirin.
Citrulline has long ago been introduced by BAC.
I will try it sometimes.
As with most supplements, some will be delighted; many will be pleased; few will say it's bullsh!t.
A last line about the "hey! look ! that's a drug! come before the FDA catches us! ":
here many compounds that are OTC dirty cheap in the USA, are "prescription-only" and cost 20x.
And i'm talking about ibuprufen, famotidine, imodium, etc, not 1-test.
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