First Test E cycle, few questions

[Mojdjole]

Hi everyone.
New poster. Sorry in advance if the questions are elementary, dumb, or don't all belong here, but I could really use some help.

39 years old. 18 years of serious lifting. 198 lbs, 10% bodyfat. Wanted to go AAS way for a long time, but had problems with varicocele and spermcount for like a decade. 3 surgeries. Just got my second kid and I will surely never want another. Diet ist implemented and good. Wont bother you with it. Bloodwork is done, all good. I am one of those that see makros by just looking at the food after so many years of lifting. Got good "aesthetics genetic", except for sh*tty calves in my eyes, lose or gain weight is easy for me. New lean muscle at my age, not any more.

Here is what I wanna do:
- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total), pharma grade.
- Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)***
- Week 15-18: Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20
I already have everything, everything is from the pharmacy. Also all the supplements, needles, swabs, you name it.

I would appreciate not trying to convince me to add another compound, change the dosages etc. Question 1 is the only thing I may change:

1. AI on hand or take from the start?
I nevert hought I would reconsider anything, but I am seriously reconsidering leaving AI out and having it on hand. In case of gyno symptoms, start Adex, Tamoxifen 20mg a day for two weeks, 10 mg ed till it's gone? If this scenario were to happen: I countinue AI till PCT starts(dose depending on E2) and I simply stop Tamoxifen after gyno symptoms are gone? And does anything change on the initial PCT plan in this case?
I am realistic. I do not expect to gain and keep 12 kg of new muscle when all is over. In fact I would be VERY happy with 12 pounds or even a little less.

2. My 5000 IU Hcg vials are very small. I really hope I could inject 2 CCs of water in it to mix. BAC water is a problem, I would have to order from abroad or make it my self with BA and Injection water(don't bother with this, I will take care of it).
I am kinda afraid of destroying the rubber cap of such a small vial by pulling 0.1 CCs/250 IU 20 times.
Is it ok to pull out 20 doses right away through the same needle right after initial mixing and simply keep 20 ready injections in a dark container in the fridge?

3. I am a high intensity guy, always been able to make as little as 12 sets per bigger bodyparts work. But I can make any split work for me. I recover very well. I will keep this one simple: although I don't base my bodypart training on "per week", would you rather go once or twice per week when on cycle, vaguely? Would frequency made a small or a big difference, if at all?

4. If all goes well, I highly doubt this will be my only cycle. I would like to prevent prostate issues like from right now, already. Would taking cialis like 5mg eod help with prostate and blood pressure? I tried 2.5mg a couple times, had unwanted erections for like a week, and headaches. But if it has benefits, I would be willing to cope with headaches.

5. Should I even bother training calves?

Thank you

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

noone will try to convince you to take another compound bro. its your first cycle man. keep it simple and accordingly to first cycle rules.
read the sticky thread on first cycles.

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

and for the record looks like you need to read on how to do a first cycle if your asking us if an Ai should be used from the start or not, Ai's are to deter sides not to treat them. take them from the start along with HCG.

 

[Mojdjole]

and for the record looks like you need to read on how to do a first cycle if your asking us if an Ai should be used from the start or not, Ai's are to deter sides not to treat them. take them from the start along with HCG.

The question comes BECAUSE of all the reading and talking to some ppl. Some ppl tried to convince me to add a compound, like dbol or lower the T and add Anavar and similar. Which I am NOT going to do.

AI from the start or no seems to be a common debate. I know AI is not gonna treat gyno(I am conserned about gyno only, not talking about estrogen sides like getting bloated, crying on sad commercials...) , hence the mentioning of starting AI AND a Serm like Tamoxifen in case of problems, Raloxifen being maybe an ever better option.

I would appreciate help with other questions too, but this Adex decision is what really bugs me...I am of course leaning towards starting everything as I wrote, but the more I read, the more I see theories about unnecesarily crushing your estrogen, that many ppl don't even need an AI and so on..

Sorry if I write to much, I hope you understand me...

 

[Mycelium]

I am far from cycle experienced but I grew tits and had a limp dick while still inside "normal level" for both testosterone and estrogen due to my epilepsy medications. Most definitely recommend an AI.

I went onto TRT at 200mg wk, 1mg anastrozole and has 1500 ng/dL total test, double the max freeT as well as double max estrogen yet had less sensitive nipples. Literally, actually amd factually I had over 2x the amount of estrogen in my blood but sensitivity and swelling was lower. I now have increased AI compared to most people on TRT and use letro.

Elevated E will cause changes and have different effects just as elevated testosterone has effects. It seems "no sore tits means its ok" is very common but estrogen effects more than breasts. It can actually effect your brain and bones. In a very rare theory higher E levels can lower your "seizure threshold" and you could have seizures. It also effects your bones.


On top of that, keeping estrogen in your normal range (have you gotten a blood draw to see where your natty production is?) will keep many possible "side effects" away. Water retention, mood, ect.

 

[scorob777]

1. From the start. If you are not sure which go with aromasin

2. Yes

3. Typically twice per week per group. Once heavy, once for volume. You will be able to train much harder and recover faster, so hit it and greatly increase your food intake.

4. Yes. Unwanted erections, ha. Such a problem

5. Yes of course

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

The question comes BECAUSE of all the reading and talking to some ppl. Some ppl tried to convince me to add a compound, like dbol or lower the T and add Anavar and similar. Which I am NOT going to do.

AI from the start or no seems to be a common debate. I know AI is not gonna treat gyno(I am conserned about gyno only, not talking about estrogen sides like getting bloated, crying on sad commercials...) , hence the mentioning of starting AI AND a Serm like Tamoxifen in case of problems, Raloxifen being maybe an ever better option.

I would appreciate help with other questions too, but this Adex decision is what really bugs me...I am of course leaning towards starting everything as I wrote, but the more I read, the more I see theories about unnecesarily crushing your estrogen, that many ppl don't even need an AI and so on..

Sorry if I write to much, I hope you understand me...

too many cooks always spoil the soup my grandmother always said. When your doing a first cycle and telling your friends about your plan someone always tells you to add this or that to it, its a peer pressure idiotic thing since your messing with your hormones and not a apple pie recipe with guys who think they are Einsteins because they can say a 4 syllable word.
be careful and do it the proper way so you can see how your body reacts to testosterone and your Ai, HCG, and pct gear, Nolva and clomid.
then this will be your base for your next cycle where you can add a little more as you now know how your body deals with gear. be true to yourself man!!! good luck!

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

Hi everyone.
New poster. Sorry in advance if the questions are elementary, dumb, or don't all belong here, but I could really use some help.

39 years old. 18 years of serious lifting. 198 lbs, 10% bodyfat. Wanted to go AAS way for a long time, but had problems with varicocele and spermcount for like a decade. 3 surgeries. Just got my second kid and I will surely never want another. Diet ist implemented and good. Wont bother you with it. Bloodwork is done, all good. I am one of those that see makros by just looking at the food after so many years of lifting. Got good "aesthetics genetic", except for sh*tty calves in my eyes, lose or gain weight is easy for me. New lean muscle at my age, not any more.

Here is what I wanna do:
- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total), pharma grade.
- Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)***
- Week 15-18: Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20
I already have everything, everything is from the pharmacy. Also all the supplements, needles, swabs, you name it.

I would appreciate not trying to convince me to add another compound, change the dosages etc. Question 1 is the only thing I may change:

1. AI on hand or take from the start?
I nevert hought I would reconsider anything, but I am seriously reconsidering leaving AI out and having it on hand. In case of gyno symptoms, start Adex, Tamoxifen 20mg a day for two weeks, 10 mg ed till it's gone? If this scenario were to happen: I countinue AI till PCT starts(dose depending on E2) and I simply stop Tamoxifen after gyno symptoms are gone? And does anything change on the initial PCT plan in this case?
I am realistic. I do not expect to gain and keep 12 kg of new muscle when all is over. In fact I would be VERY happy with 12 pounds or even a little less.

2. My 5000 IU Hcg vials are very small. I really hope I could inject 2 CCs of water in it to mix. BAC water is a problem, I would have to order from abroad or make it my self with BA and Injection water(don't bother with this, I will take care of it).
I am kinda afraid of destroying the rubber cap of such a small vial by pulling 0.1 CCs/250 IU 20 times.
Is it ok to pull out 20 doses right away through the same needle right after initial mixing and simply keep 20 ready injections in a dark container in the fridge?

3. I am a high intensity guy, always been able to make as little as 12 sets per bigger bodyparts work. But I can make any split work for me. I recover very well. I will keep this one simple: although I don't base my bodypart training on "per week", would you rather go once or twice per week when on cycle, vaguely? Would frequency made a small or a big difference, if at all?

4. If all goes well, I highly doubt this will be my only cycle. I would like to prevent prostate issues like from right now, already. Would taking cialis like 5mg eod help with prostate and blood pressure? I tried 2.5mg a couple times, had unwanted erections for like a week, and headaches. But if it has benefits, I would be willing to cope with headaches.

5. Should I even bother training calves?

Thank you

no such thing as a dumb question in this game bro, good luck with your cycle and keep us posted!

 

[Mojdjole]

Hey thanks a lot people.

I live in Germany now, when I tell ppl what I wanna do, they look at me like I'm nutts. Consensus here for the first cycle is typically 16-20 weeks test e 300-350 mg e5d. Only clomid or only nolva in PCT. No AI on cycle! Etc. Unless I scr*w up one or more pins, I actually have enough test for 15 weeks. But I will not do it, seems that noone other than Germans recommends more than 12 for a first cycle.

Another thing, Hcg! They ask me why hcg?!? Not 'why not simply blast it at the end', but why hcg in the first place, why at all?! I don't understand how they DON'T understand the whole leydig/better recovery/own production/hpta science. I don't even argue with anyone, I am gonna use it. But BAC water seems to be impossible to find in Germany. They order from abroad, but 50% of shipments get hold up at customs.

I will have to make it myself. Is it ok to pull out 0.9 cc of injection water(100 cc bottle) and add 0.9 cc BA in it? Then pull out the needed CCs and add to HCG? Or is it a MUST to do it more complicated, aka new sterile vial to mix, injection filter and all?

Last question. Mycelium, what seizure meds are you on? I had a couple of seizures years ago, I am on keppra 2 x 1g ed. Perfectly controlled, never had a seizure on meds. What you said about e levels and seizures, plus seizure being the possible side effect of hcg, makes me a little scared. But at least settles the AI question 'beyond' without a doubt . From the start.

 

[IMT]

Hey thanks a lot people.

I live in Germany now, when I tell ppl what I wanna do, they look at me like I'm nutts. Consensus here for the first cycle is typically 16-20 weeks test e 300-350 mg e5d. Only clomid or only nolva in PCT. No AI on cycle! Etc. Unless I scr*w up one or more pins, I actually have enough test for 15 weeks. But I will not do it, seems that noone other than Germans recommends more than 12 for a first cycle.

Another thing, Hcg! They ask me why hcg?!? Not 'why not simply blast it at the end', but why hcg in the first place, why at all?! I don't understand how they DON'T understand the whole leydig/better recovery/own production/hpta science. I don't even argue with anyone, I am gonna use it. But BAC water seems to be impossible to find in Germany. They order from abroad, but 50% of shipments get hold up at customs.

I will have to make it myself. Is it ok to pull out 0.9 cc of injection water(100 cc bottle) and add 0.9 cc BA in it? Then pull out the needed CCs and add to HCG? Or is it a MUST to do it more complicated, aka new sterile vial to mix, injection filter and all?

Last question. Mycelium, what seizure meds are you on? I had a couple of seizures years ago, I am on keppra 2 x 1g ed. Perfectly controlled, never had a seizure on meds. What you said about e levels and seizures, plus seizure being the possible side effect of hcg, makes me a little scared. But at least settles the AI question 'beyond' without a doubt . From the start.

You are hanging around with uninformed people who will take you down the wrong road and mess up your hormones and youll spend your entire time dealing with sides and all that they bring instead of focusing on doing your cycle properly along with your training and diet. AND totally forget your cycle goals.
Its best to read up on first cycles here in the sticky thread to do it right.
Keep us posted!

 

[Mojdjole]

You are hanging around with uninformed people who will take you down the wrong road and mess up your hormones and youll spend your entire time dealing with sides and all that they bring instead of focusing on doing your cycle properly along with your training and diet. AND totally forget your cycle goals.
Its best to read up on first cycles here in the sticky thread to do it right.
Keep us posted!

I will keep you posted. I hope you didn't understand me wrong, I will NOT do what I listed-what the germans recommend.

I read all the stickies like everywhere. Noone said anything, so I guess "my" plan from the stickies is not wrong, right??:

- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total), pharma grade.
- Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)
- Week 15-18: Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

3 bloodworks, at least. Supps: crea, vit C, fishoil, ubiquinol, zink, NAC, maybe cialis. I didn't list whey, don't consider it a supp but essential.

Anyways, have to push the start for a week coz of the d*mn bac watter. Anyone care to answer the small bac water mixing queston from my previous post?

Thanks ppl

 

[scorob777]

Your plan is fine. It's basically the recommended first cycle. Only things I'd change are:

HCG weeks 1 to 14

Adex 1 to 15. If you are worried about timing you could do half that dose weeks 1, 2, and 15

Clomid and Nolva weeks 16 to 19. If you could push it to five or even six weeks I think that's better clomid 50/50/25/25/25 nolva 40/40/20/20/20

 

[IMT]

I will keep you posted. I hope you didn't understand me wrong, I will NOT do what I listed-what the germans recommend.

I read all the stickies like everywhere. Noone said anything, so I guess "my" plan from the stickies is not wrong, right??:

- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total), pharma grade.
- Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)
- Week 15-18: Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

3 bloodworks, at least. Supps: crea, vit C, fishoil, ubiquinol, zink, NAC, maybe cialis. I didn't list whey, don't consider it a supp but essential.

Anyways, have to push the start for a week coz of the d*mn bac watter. Anyone care to answer the small bac water mixing queston from my previous post?

Thanks ppl

Dont know what else to say aside from what Tankman has said other than drink lots of water, get plenty of sleep, no party, eat lots of fiber and hearty foods and keep us posted! Be sure to get precycle bloodworks before your first pin.

 

[Synoman]

Nothing wrong with that cycle. Test only especially for your first cycle. Keep the aromatase inhibitor on hand, though you might not even need it. If you do, ensure you dont take too much. Last thing you want is to crash your E2...

 

[casanovaaa]

 

[casanovaaa]

its best to train every part of your body otherwise youll look like triangle man.