Confused about PCT drug names

Dan_The_Man84118

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Hello Everyone,

Just a quick question. Is Toremfene Citrate and Clomiphene Citrate the same as Nolvadex and Clomid? Would I still run it the same as a Nolva/Clomid? I'm also running an AI through pct as well. To keep it short I was on a 12 week cycle of Test E @600mg/week

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Novla 40/40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5 ED for 2 weeks
 
Off the top of my head yes if you mean tamoxifen and not toremfeme. That's a different drug

AI during PCT is usually not recommended. Why are you adding it?
 
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Yes ^^^^^^what he said. Make sure you meant tamoxifen.
And the AI is just the first little bit of pct right? Not sure I'd go 2 weeks but I assume you're taking it until your test is less elevated? I'm thinking AI for 2 weeks before starting PCT drugs? Whatcha think?
So AI for weeks 13 and 14 then start clomid tamox?
Using any HCG during cycle? If so.....when are you stopping usage?
 
Hello Everyone,

Just a quick question. Is Toremfene Citrate and Clomiphene Citrate the same as Nolvadex and Clomid? Would I still run it the same as a Nolva/Clomid? I'm also running an AI through pct as well. To keep it short I was on a 12 week cycle of Test E @600mg/week

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Novla 40/40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5 ED for 2 weeks
aromasin is not for pct, its to be used during your cycle. be sure to read the beginners cycle thread in my signature.
 
Yeah I meant Toremifene Citrate. I thought I had purchased Nolva but this and Clomephine citrate is what they had.

As far as the AI during pct I read somewhere that your estrogen levels will still be out of whack for maybe a week or two and adding aromasin for those 2 weeks could help?

Also reading the 'perfect pct' article had ai usage for the first 2 weeks in pct
 
Yeah the AI is for the first bit of pct. Maybe a week? Reason being is that I read through the 'Perfect Pct' article and it had ai usage for a bit during

So weeks 13, 14, and 15 was just AI and hcg @500 IU's blasting 1000 IU's last 10 days before pct start. Afterwards was going to start Toremfene Citrate (Farestos) and Clomid and maybe an AI for a week?

What am I supposed to be dosing the Toremfene Citrate at??
 
Reason I said that was because of the confusing article from the 'Perfect PCT'
I thought I had nolva but it ended up being Toremfene Citrate. What dosage am I supposed to run it at now? I have Clomephene Citrate on hand as well.
 
My understanding is that you keep the AI while the test is still in your system. Then you stop the AI and start clomid/nolva.
 
Yeah the AI is for the first bit of pct. Maybe a week? Reason being is that I read through the 'Perfect Pct' article and it had ai usage for a bit during

So weeks 13, 14, and 15 was just AI and hcg @500 IU's blasting 1000 IU's last 10 days before pct start. Afterwards was going to start Toremfene Citrate (Farestos) and Clomid and maybe an AI for a week?

What am I supposed to be dosing the Toremfene Citrate at??

wheres this so called perfect pct article?? It sure as shit aint here in steroidology.com dont quote from it if you dont post it for us to see since its total bullshit!!!!!!!!!! :bsflag:
no ai is required for pct.
 
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wheres this so called perfect pct article?? It sure as shit aint here in steroidology.com dont quote from it if you dont post it for us to see since its total bullshit!!!!!!!!!! :bsflag:
no ai is required for pct.

Lol a lot of their stuff is contradicting from what I’ve been reading.


https://*****************/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Now that I know not to take AI in pct, what’s a good dosage with Toremifene/Clomid?

Torem
120/120/60/60/60

Clomid
50/50/25/25/25
??
 
******No links allowed just copy and paste the article*****


Introduction:

I've been writing about the perfect PCT stack for a while, and it seems a lot of guys still have questions about the way to run the right kind of PCT. The perfect PCT is not just an idea or concept or a medical study, it's something you have to develop with countless years of trial and error. I have written thousands of PCT regiments over the last 20+ years in the industry, and I can safely say that PCT is tricky at best.

History:

Back in the day, most of the gym 'buff' bodybuilders didn't run any PCT. They just kept cycling non-stop. Many had serious health problems and side-effects from it. From liver damage, to heart problems to testicular atrophy. Constantly being on a cycle is risky at best and very dangerous at the least. You'll see some “broscience” guys coming around B.Sing like they know it all about PCT when they themselves are cycling year round!

prolactin hpta
Fig 1. HPTA Diagram
What makes a perfect PCT? (Summary)

1) Start-up your HPTA

2) Prevent Catabolism

3) Prevent Fat-Gains

4) Prevent Strength loss

5) Balance Hormone levels

6) Reduce Side-effects

What ******** do you need to address each of those problems?

1) Starting-up your HPTA: Use a SERM combination, with Clomid and Nolvadex. This will help restart your HPTA.

Let's look at the science behind this:

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Int J Impot Res. 2003 Jun;15(3):156-65.

Clomiphene increases free testosterone levels in men with both secondary hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction: who does and does not benefit?

Guay AT, Jacobson J, Perez JB, Hodge MB, Velasquez E.

For those with lower than normal age-matched levels of testosterone treatment directed at normalizing testosterone with clomiphene citrate is a viable alternative to giving androgen supplements.

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J Sex Med. 2013 Jun;10(6):1628-35. doi: 10.1111/jsm.12116. Epub 2013 Mar 26.

Oral enclomiphene citrate stimulates the endogenous production of testosterone and sperm counts in men with low testosterone: comparison with testosterone gel.

Kaminetsky J, Werner M, Fontenot G, Wiehle RD.

CONCLUSIONS:

Enclomiphene citrate increased testosterone and sperm counts. Concomitant changes in LH and FSH suggest normalization of endogenous testosterone production and restoration of sperm counts through the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis.

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cortisol chemical structure
Fig 2. Cortisol Chemical Structure
2) Prevent Catabolism + 4) Prevent Strength loss: The use of a powerful SARM Ostarine (MK-2866) to lower cortisol levels and increase your IGF-1 levels.

3) Prevent Fat-Gains: Pick up a bottle of Cardarine (GW-501516), it will help with preventing your fat gains while increasing your endurance. This is the most typical use for Cardarine.

5) Balancing Hormone levels: To prevent estrogen levels from increasing and IGF from decreasing, add Aromasin. To increase you testicle size and boost recovery time, add HCGenerate ES as a PCT kick-start.

6) Decrease Side-Effects: To make sure your kidneys, organs and liver aren't damaged during your PCT, adding N2Guard is optimal.



***The Perfect 5 Week PCT Laid-Out***

Week 1-2: 2 Week Pre-PCT Kickstart

HCGenerate ES (5 caps/day) - 2 caps AM/1 post workout/1 PM

Cardarine (GW-501516) – 20mgs/day (10mgs AM/10mgs PM)

Week 3-7: 5 Week PCT

Clomid - 50/50/25/25/12.5

Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/10

Aromasin - week 1-2: 12.5mgs EOD, week 3-4: 7.5mgs EOD

Cardarine (GW-501516) – 20mgs/day (10mgs AM/10mgs PM)

Ostarine (MK-2866) – 25/25/25/12.5

N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM

NOTE: Dosages are PER DAY, example Clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5, means Week 1 you take 50mgs/day, Week 2 50mgs/day and so on.

Week HCGenearte ES Cardarine
GW-501516
Clomid Nolvadex Aromasin Ostarine
MK-2866
N2Guard
1 5 caps/ED 20mgs/ED
2 5 caps/ED 20mgs/ED
3 20mgs/ED 50mgs/
ED
40mgs/
ED
12.5mgs/
EOD
25mgs/
ED
7 caps/
ED
4 20mgs/ED 50mgs/
ED
20mgs/
ED
12.5mgs/
EOD
25mgs/
ED
7 caps/
ED
5 20mgs/ED 25mgs/
ED
20mgs/
ED
7.5mgs/
EOD
25mgs/
ED
7 caps/
ED
6 20mgs/ED 25mgs/
ED
20mgs/
ED
7.5mgs/
EOD
12.5mgs/
ED
7 caps/
ED
7 20mgs/ED 12.5mgs/
ED
10mgs/
ED
7 caps/
ED
NOTES:
ED = every day

EOD = every other day

mgs = milligrams

caps = capsules
Conclusion

Most bodybuilders and gym-lovers who use or dabble with anabolic steroids forget the importance of PCT and cycling off. It's crucial that you take time off your cycle and fully recover. It's ironic that guys are spending thousands on their steroid cycles, while they refuse to spend the same on their health. PCT and recovery = health. If you never recover, you risk being completely impotent and run the serious potential of ***ning your life. Always remember, health comes first, as you will not be able to buy your health back 10 years down the line; once it's gone, it's gone. Therefore, a proper PCT is crucial for maintaining the homeostasis in your body and boosting your health levels. Remember, you can use steroids and stay healthy, just don't ABUSE them.
 
stop complicating things.. run 50mg clomid ed for 4 weeks and 20mg nolva ed for 4 weeks and call it a day.. dont run torem, yes it can be ran but it isn't the gold standard

Yo boss, here’s the issue. I THOUGHT I had bought Nolva but it ended up being Torem. I have Clomid on hand but what dosage am I supposed to run Torem and Clomid at?

I was on a 12 week cycle on Test E at 600mg/week

Would I run Torem at 90/60/60/30 and Clomid 25/25/35/35?
 
That PCT sounds like a SARM marketing article. I'm not saying they won't help with issues or be effective but PCT is an attempt to return to natty status. 6 compounds during PCT seems like a post cycle - cycle of SERM/SARMS.
 
Yo boss, here***8217;s the issue. I THOUGHT I had bought Nolva but it ended up being Torem. I have Clomid on hand but what dosage am I supposed to run Torem and Clomid at?

I was on a 12 week cycle on Test E at 600mg/week

Would I run Torem at 90/60/60/30 and Clomid 25/25/35/35?
save the torem for the next cycle.. run clomid at 50mg ed for 4 weeks
 
That PCT sounds like a SARM marketing article. I'm not saying they won't help with issues or be effective but PCT is an attempt to return to natty status. 6 compounds during PCT seems like a post cycle - cycle of SERM/SARMS.


Yeah that article was mentioned on another thread on another website. I was never a firm believer of SARMS. I took SARMS once in Florida and it made my nuts and stomach hurt for 2 days lol
 
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