Critique my first cycle, Test E + Dianabol

[HereForTheKnowledge]

I have decided I am going to run a cycle of steroids, from the research I have done I have come up with this any feedback would be greatly appriciated.

Test E 500mg per week, 250mg Monday, 250mg Thursday weeks 1-12

Dianabol 30mg ED 10mg in the morning, 10mg pre workout, 10mg at night weeks 1-4
(possibly may substitute with Turinabol 40mg ED need some feedback on this)

Arimidex will run 0.5mg EOD throughout the cycle, weeks 1-12
(I have heard mixed opinions on this, some say use from the start others say only if side effects appear. would like to know what you guys think)

PCT
Novladex will start 2 weeks after my last pin 40/40/20/20mg

I will be starting the cycle at around 10% bf.

 

[tbonexl]

Drop the dbol. Doesn't belong in a first cycle. Especially since your on the fence about using an ai. Dbol aromatizes so you might end up with hooters in your first cycle. Just stick with test. Plenty for a first cycle. Pct should begin 18-21 days after last pin. How good would a pct do with elevated test levels? Run your ai and hcg up to pct. What's hcg? Hmmm, something else that belongs in your cycle too.

Better yet read this

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

 

[Megatron28]

Can you tell us your age, height and weight? How many years training? What is your current body fat%? Have you been cutting lately?

Tbone pointed out that the timing of things is off. I would like to see your plan for blood work too.

I agree with dropping the dbol the first cycle -- but I want to point out that it would not likely make sense to run the same AI dose week 1-4 and weeks 8-12 as you have indicated given the dbol.

PCT -- needs Clomid too.

 

[HereForTheKnowledge]

I wasn't on the fence about using an AI I will be using Arimidex 0.5mg EOD, I was just asking for clarification since some people seem to be against it.


I know Dianabol aromatizes that's why I was thinking about substituting it with Turinabol. But if I take an AI then it I should be okay, I will have letro+nolva on hand as well if the worst case happens and I start to develop gyno.


About the PCT I read 2 weeks, this is why I made the post to make sure everything I read was correct I guess it wasn't. Thanks for the adjustment I will run my PCT at the start of week 16 that will give me 3 weeks from my last pin.


I didn't really do much research about HCG I will be honest I didn't think it was necessary for my first cycle. I did some reading about it today and I may be wrong. I will research it more but it sounds good so thanks for the advice.

 

[HereForTheKnowledge]

Age: 22
Height: 173cm
Weight: 76kg
Lifting experience: started around 3 years ago, but been doing it seriously for around 8months.
Body fat: currently around 12-13% I won't be starting my cycle for at least 2 months and before I do I will be at least 10%.


What would you recommend for AI dosages weeks 1-4 and 8-12?
I got my PCT information from here:

https://***********/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct

I know Nolvadex and Clomid work better together, but since it is a short cycle I didn't think the added side effects from the Clomid were worth it, especially if just Nolvadex would be adequate.

My plan for getting my bloodwork done pre cycle was to go to the GP but from what I have read they are very unlikely to do it. I have found a place nearby that seem legit I am going to ring them on Monday.

 

[bigben66]

OK... so for a first cycle you run Test E and D'Bol.... you notice that you are aromatizing like crazy... what has caused it? The Test, or the D'Bol?
Exactly... you don't know!

Same advice for you, as everyone else on this site... learn how your body deals with one compound at a time, so that when you run your next cycle, you can either add in something else, or simply up your dosage. It really IS that simple.

Let's look at me for example.... I have numerous cycles under my belt, but have yet to try Tren.
When I try Tren, what do I do?

I take a TRT amount of Test to enable me to function properly as a male. Then I run Tren alone, nothing else with it, and I learn how I react to Tren... if after a few weeks I appear ok (on a small starter dose) I can then start to tweak the dose, a small amount, and again gauge how I react. And that's it, cycle over, I've educated myself on a new compound so that on the next cycle I can take what I have learned and tweak it some more.

Never EVER put yourself in a position where you are running 2 new compounds at the same time - because you then have to jump ship and you suddenly realize you have learnt nothing and gained zero muscle, spent shit loads of cash and set your health back a few months.

My opinion - take it or leave it!

BigBen

 

[Megatron28]

Age: 22
Height: 173cm
Weight: 76kg
Lifting experience: started around 3 years ago, but been doing it seriously for around 8months.
Body fat: currently around 12-13% I won't be starting my cycle for at least 2 months and before I do I will be at least 10%.


What would you recommend for AI dosages weeks 1-4 and 8-12?
I got my PCT information from here:

https://***********/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct

I know Nolvadex and Clomid work better together, but since it is a short cycle I didn't think the added side effects from the Clomid were worth it, especially if just Nolvadex would be adequate.

My plan for getting my bloodwork done pre cycle was to go to the GP but from what I have read they are very unlikely to do it. I have found a place nearby that seem legit I am going to ring them on Monday.

I think you are too young to run a cycle as your endocrine system is still developing. Read FAQs thread which is linked below in my signature. There is a section in there that speaks about cycling before age 25 and contains medical studies.

You are pretty small too. You should probably work on your diet and training before putting money into gear. Gear isn't a magic pill that will suddenly turn your into the Hulk.

 

[HereForTheKnowledge]

Age: 22
Height: 173cm
Weight: 76kg
Lifting experience: started around 3 years ago, but been doing it seriously for around 8months.
Body fat: currently around 12-13% I won't be starting my cycle for at least 2 months and before I do I will be at least 10%.


What would you recommend for AI dosages weeks 1-4 and 8-12?
I got my PCT information from here:

https://***********/r/steroids/wiki/thecycle/pct

I know Nolvadex and Clomid work better together, but since it is a short cycle I didn't think the added side effects from the Clomid were worth it, especially if just Nolvadex would be adequate.

My plan for getting my bloodwork done pre cycle was to go to the GP but from what I have read they are very unlikely to do it. I have found a place nearby that seem legit I am going to ring them on Monday.

I assumed since the Test E takes 4 weeks to take effect any side effects in the first 1-3 weeks will be the dianabol. And since I will only be using the Dianabol for weeks 1-4 I will be able to see how my body reacts to the Test E for the rest of the cycle.

I'm not sure if it works like this but that was my though process, I can't find much information about this.

 

[HereForTheKnowledge]

I think you are too young to run a cycle as your endocrine system is still developing. Read FAQs thread which is linked below in my signature. There is a section in there that speaks about cycling before age 25 and contains medical studies.

You are pretty small too. You should probably work on your diet and training before putting money into gear. Gear isn't a magic pill that will suddenly turn your into the Hulk.

Thanks for your concern, I will make sure it's definitely what I want to do before I go ahead and come to terms with the potential consequences if I do decide to.

 

[ImAuNatural]

OK... so for a first cycle you run Test E and D'Bol.... you notice that you are aromatizing like crazy... what has caused it? The Test, or the D'Bol?
Exactly... you don't know!

Same advice for you, as everyone else on this site... learn how your body deals with one compound at a time, so that when you run your next cycle, you can either add in something else, or simply up your dosage. It really IS that simple.

Let's look at me for example.... I have numerous cycles under my belt, but have yet to try Tren.
When I try Tren, what do I do?

I take a TRT amount of Test to enable me to function properly as a male. Then I run Tren alone, nothing else with it, and I learn how I react to Tren... if after a few weeks I appear ok (on a small starter dose) I can then start to tweak the dose, a small amount, and again gauge how I react. And that's it, cycle over, I've educated myself on a new compound so that on the next cycle I can take what I have learned and tweak it some more.

Never EVER put yourself in a position where you are running 2 new compounds at the same time - because you then have to jump ship and you suddenly realize you have learnt nothing and gained zero muscle, spent shit loads of cash and set your health back a few months.

My opinion - take it or leave it!

BigBen

Exactly what he said^

 

[ImAuNatural]

I would not run the Dbol if you are persistent on cycling despite your age.

Like Ben said run one thing at a time that way you know how you react, if you start having bad side effects you wont know if its from the test or if its from the Dbol. Its better to be safe than sorry. You will get great results of off Test alone trust me.

When you PCT use clomid, clomid is more of what helps actually restart your HPTA and Nolvadex is more to help with estrogen rebound. In my opinion clomid is more important than nolvadex for PCT. But thats just my opinion and you should always do your own research.

If you do run Dbol (which you shouldn't) then you will want to take a higher dose of AI weeks 1-4. Dbol is very estrogenic and will hit you fast so like I said before be safe and not sorry.

 

[bigben66]

Dude it's quite obvious in your follow up posts that you are reading things that you do not want to hear...
I understand the frustration, I really do.

But Megatron is right, you are at an age where your natural testosterone levels are at their peak, if you can't make gains at your age, with a good diet, and a strong training protocol, then you need to move onto another hobby.

Save the gear for when you're at an age where the gains don't come so easy, you've ruled out diet issues because you've been eating at a calorific surplus with no progress, and the only thing that can get you somewhere (safely) is AAS - until then, make the most of what god gave you.

I'm a rep, and I'm telling you, at this stage, AAS is not for you.

BigBen

 

[Megatron28]

I assumed since the Test E takes 4 weeks to take effect any side effects in the first 1-3 weeks will be the dianabol. And since I will only be using the Dianabol for weeks 1-4 I will be able to see how my body reacts to the Test E for the rest of the cycle.

I'm not sure if it works like this but that was my though process, I can't find much information about this.

Assume is a very dangerous word!

 

[HereForTheKnowledge]

If I do decide to do a cycle then I will definitely cut out the Dianabol and just take the Test E. I was planning to start the cycle in 2 months so by that time I will be nearly 23.

For PCT I will use Nolvadex + Clomid like you suggested 3 weeks after my last pin, and I will run Arimidex (0.5mg EOD) and HCG throughout the cycle up until PCT.

This is if I do decide to; thanks to everyone who posted it's been a great help.

 

[Onk]

If I do decide to do a cycle then I will definitely cut out the Dianabol and just take the Test E. I was planning to start the cycle in 2 months so by that time I will be nearly 23.

For PCT I will use Nolvadex + Clomid like you suggested 3 weeks after my last pin, and I will run Arimidex (0.5mg EOD) and HCG throughout the cycle up until PCT.

This is if I do decide to; thanks to everyone who posted it's been a great help.

I get the anxiety, as I was 24 waiting until I was 25 to cycle. It was painful.

However, by cycling early you run the risk of not developing higher brain function than you would have otherwise.
You are developing positive cognitive faculties in the 22-25 age range.
In plain speak, you will forever be dumber than you would have been, had you waited for 2 years.

Now I don't know about you, but I like to use my brain, want to make money, want to be the wittiest person in a room.
If you aren't worried about cycling early and crushing your natty test forever, pinning for the rest of your life, do you also want to be dumber, forever, as well?

 

[bigben66]

Now I don't know about you, but I like to use my brain, want to make money, want to be the wittiest person in a room

I'm guessing you couldn't wait then Onk?

 

[Onk]

I'm guessing you couldn't wait then Onk?

haha you dickhead! I was 25 and 1 month when I started

 

[polishpower13]

I'll add to what all these fine gents are saying by giving my personal knowledge and experience. I'm only 23 but by the time I commit to running my first cycle I'll be turning 25. Im waiting till I hit my former weight of 215 at 10% body fat. I've been that weight and body fat before so really why hinder my over all results by starting to soon.
You may feel ready but your no where near your natural potential so why start now and forever have to keep cycling to be happy with your month to month gains?

By waiting I'll let myself fully develop, I'll have over another year of researching and knowledge attaining, and I'll be more honed into my diet and training so I can truly benefit the most.