Crossing Over to the Darkside....

[olliephoenix]

Hello Gents. First off let me introduce myself as I have just joined......My names Ollie. I have been lifting for the past 10 years. I started bodybuilding when I was in a book store 10 years ago (@ 16) and picked up a book by Mike Mentzers called Heavy duty. To this day thats how I conduct the majority of my training. I have made some reasonable gains over the years using his system and other varied methods of training. When I started I was 59kg and could barely bench press 100lbs! Not exactly a natual if you get me! HA HA HA !! I have never taken steroids but I have reached the the decision to now cross over to uncharted territory (for me anyway). I am at the stage where I feel I have done my best naturally. There have been set backs over the years. I was in the british Army for 9 years and everytime we went away for 6 months on ops I was unable to train with weights and my diet consisted of ration packs with the biological value of a breeze block! I used to come back a few stones lighter everytime(we all did) due to the nature of work we were doing over there (as far from the "in the rear with the gear" as you could probably get!). Anyway I have been able to be consistent now for the past 2 years due to leaving and now working protective security. I am stronger than I have ever been but want to take it to the next level. Currently I am 217lbs at 6'1" with 9% bodyfat. A mate of mine recentely gave me 1000 5mg pink tablets of Dianabol he got from British Dispencery. The genuine ones. I am 101% certain they are real after doing my homework. Ideally I would take 40mg a day for 5-6 weeks using testosterone as a base FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE GAINS, however I do not have the means to obtain anything else as my mate has re-deployed overseas and is not back untill next year. I only have the Dianabol and Nothing else. I was going to take this at 40 mg a day for maybe 5-6 weeks then start anti-estrogen/PCT. I realise the gains on D-bol are indeed fake water retained mass (whilst on cycle), but the lean mass that is gained whilst on....How much of this will/should be kept after the cyle ends? I realise veryone is different and one man will keep more than the next man etc, but on average from your combined experience is there a guideline/mean average of lean mass retained? I have researched this a lot and already know that about 90% of you will tell me its a wate of time without test as a base, but remember , for now its all I have along with clomid and some other anti estrogens!......My diet is spot on (believe me I've had 10 years to get it right and havnt done badly naturally), I dont drink, dont smoke, dont do junkfood, get a good 9 hours head down a night and supplement with quality protein/bcaa/, drink a gallon of water a day on average and do not have a labourious job. I simply dont trust the online sources for gear and untill my buddy returns this is it! Hope someone will be able to give me some good feedback. Thanks for your time guys....

Ollie

 

[Die$eL~Man]

run some test if you wanna try something..

 

[olliephoenix]

Thanks for the reply mate, as much as I,de love to I can't get hold of the stuff at the moment! It will be a dianabol only cycle.....Any help/advice on this would be great....

 

[surfdog]

My first cycle was dbol 20mgs ed for 7 wks, gained 10 lbs lost 5, and kept most of my strength. IDK about taking 40, but I will be doing 50 ed on my next cycle with test and eq. I would try to get some test, search and you will find it.

 

[THAISEXGIRLS]

If all u have is d-bol u may want to keep the dosage low and run an 8-12 week cycle. Keep in mind the d-bol aromatises like crazy in ur blood meaning a lot may convert into estrogen. Also d-bol is know to cause liver damage in high dosages or with prolonged use. Maybe u could try 25 to 30 mg a day for 2 to 3 months. If u start to develop gynecomastia u can stop the d-bol as it only active in ur system for a few hours. U really should have something like nolvadex on hand for gyno though and also a good post cycle therapy plan. Most people only run d-bol with test maybe u should wait for ur friend to return and put together a better cycle. Good luck.

 

[Koi666]

People here will always recommend Test for your first cycle. You get solid gains and you'll get to see how your body reacts to the most basic form of gear. However, if you're unable to get any Test and your mind is really set on using the Dbols you have, maybe these articles will help you decide:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...7984-enough-taboo-shit-dianabol-cycles-3.html

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...bol-only-good-adding-water-weight-huck-f.html

My first was 30mg for 6 weeks. I was able to gain 20lbs and only lost 5lbs 2 months after post cycle therapy (pct). I recently ran 30mg for 4 weeks. i gained another 20 and lost 6lbs after post cycle therapy (pct). I believe i could have gained more had i eaten like a madman.

My next cycle's gonna be 12 weeks of Test E.

 

[olliephoenix]

Gents ,thanks for the replies!...Some awesome advice there. I've got some clomid on hand for the PCT, and will get some other stuff incase of gyno. Whats my best bet for the post cycle therapy (pct)? And how long should I stay off for before I begin another one (and finish the 1000 tabs)? So you guys are saying that I should run it at 30mg max and shouldnt go for 40mg per day?

 

[rbkjitsu22]

Try this, Run it at 40mg a day for 4 weeks then drop down to 15mg for two weeks with 25mg of clomid a day. Then drop the clomid and go back up to 40mg a day for 4 weeks. This gives your liver a break but also clears your receptors and stops your body from adjusting....Then pct with proviron and clomid or nolva and clomid....goodluck

 

[Polynikes666]

I have to disagree with rbkjitsu22. I see no reason to drop the dosage mid cycle, take clomid, and then resume. 40mg per day for 6 weeks should be fine. Far from ideal, but fine. Needsize has run 80mg for 6 weeks, without abnormal liver values.

I do agree with the others...Get T at some point. And get a quality AI.

poly

 

[jjtattoofreak]

good advice on test only, I ran it my first cycle and now am on test / deca... I have not gotten sides from any of it other than eating like a mad man and bangin the old lady or wanting to stay in the gym forever but are those really sides ...lol Test only with d bol first 4 weeks is what I ran on my first time out.. welcome..

 

[rbkjitsu22]

I have to disagree with rbkjitsu22. I see no reason to drop the dosage mid cycle, take clomid, and then resume. 40mg per day for 6 weeks should be fine. Far from ideal, but fine. Needsize has run 80mg for 6 weeks, without abnormal liver values.

I do agree with the others...Get T at some point. And get a quality AI.

poly

It works...When your body gets used to a compound you need to to switch things up..For this I simply recomended it becuase 10 weeks at 40mg would wear on him. so this way he gets 10 weeks without hitting a wall......And I no guys who run abombs for 6 months but that doesnt mean this guy can...

 

[surfdog]

I know guys that cruise on 20mgs ed along with 250mg of test, and then blast and don't have any liver issues

 

[howdyduty05]

Thanks for the reply mate, as much as I,de love to I can't get hold of the stuff at the moment! It will be a dianabol only cycle.....Any help/advice on this would be great....

bro what do you mean that you cant get your hands on any TEST??? havent you heard of the Z-man??????

 

[olliephoenix]

I can't get hold of it due to my source being offshore. I don't trust the shit on the internet (done lots of digging) and where I live (in the sticks) the closest thing bods have to gear in the gyms is casein protein!.....So.....According to the replies (thanks again fellas) and the links that were very kindly posted up, I'm thinking probably guna do 40mg for 4 weeks, have one or two weeks off with nolvadex, then go on again for a few more weeks. What do you think guys? Want to add an apolgy for posting yet ANOTHER d-bol only cyle question up on here as this seems to be an old age argument/discussion that people feel very fiercely about! ........

Ollie

 

[Koi666]

I can't get hold of it due to my source being offshore. I don't trust the shit on the internet (done lots of digging) and where I live (in the sticks) the closest thing bods have to gear in the gyms is casein protein!.....So.....According to the replies (thanks again fellas) and the links that were very kindly posted up, I'm thinking probably guna do 40mg for 4 weeks, have one or two weeks off with nolvadex, then go on again for a few more weeks. What do you think guys? Want to add an apolgy for posting yet ANOTHER d-bol only cyle question up on here as this seems to be an old age argument/discussion that people feel very fiercely about! ........

Ollie

Typically, your time off the gear should be equal to your time on the gear plus the time it took to finish your PCT. So 4 weeks of Dbol plus 2 weeks of Nolva equals 6 weeks. Wait six weeks before your next run.

It's also more typical for users to run Nolva for 4 weeks.

 

[olliephoenix]

Typically, your time off the gear should be equal to your time on the gear plus the time it took to finish your PCT. So 4 weeks of Dbol plus 2 weeks of Nolva equals 6 weeks. Wait six weeks before your next run.

It's also more typical for users to run Nolva for 4 weeks.

Thanks for that buddy! I'm actually thinking of doing a 6 week cycle now @ 40mg per day, then coming off and starting clomid or Nolva. Let me just get this one other thing straight....After the cycle has finished is it advisable to supplement with tribulis or another natural testosterone booster, or will my balls come back on-line on their own after a few days/weeks? I know to start using the Nolva or clomid after approx 6 hours after my cycle ends due to Dianabol having a very short half-life, but need to know how long (on average because I understand evryone is different) it will take for my gonads to start natural testosterone production again.....

Ollie

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

just start your SERM the next day.

OK OK i read the whole freakin thread on Dbol only, now everybody shouldnt go getting excited. its still not a good cycle decision.

the bottomline, test and dbol work great together. I take steroids cause i want them to work great not half-ass. I want the best steroids and the best dosage to run them.

with that being said, if you dont buck up and try and get some test now, you will after this cycle. everyone is always looking for the bigger and better deal. you are delaying the inevitable, grab your balls and get some test-3 bottles wont cost much anyway, so if you get scammed so be it. there are a million reputable places to get the shit.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

running a dbol only cycle is like using the logic of my fat friend who i take to the gym with me sometimes

I say to him, go as heavy as you can for 5-8 reps.......meaning you should fail somewhere in that rep range.

he says to me, well im new to working out and i dont want to overdue it, so i will just go lighter and do more reps.

bottimline, he is lazy and doesnt really want to work out, he wants to think he is working out.

same thing with an oral only, the reason is not cause you cant get test its because you dont really want to get some test and do it right.........its lazy and half-assed.

sorry to be harsh, but if i change your mind you will thank me later.

 

[olliephoenix]

Ok ok I get and understand your point and was fully aware of this before you posted. In brief.....I do not have access to test. Simple as that really. I know dbol with test will yield much better results. BUT I DO NOT HAVE IT. You dont have to be harsh with me because I already understand. In short, I'm not at home at the moment and wont be for 6 months. I got these before I left. You show me somewhere in Helmand where I can get clean reliable test and I will show you tits on a fucking fish. I work in private security. Didnt want to bring this up but I have no choice as bods keep on saying test test test test......I cant get it where I am untill my buddy re-deploys with more stuff in 4-5 months. I try and get that shit mail order over here and The military police will arrest me as every parcel is checked. I have access to the gym, to a good food souurce and the applicable rest I need to grow. This is all I have so reference my last post it would be excellent if someone would try and answer my question instead of telling me....TEST TEST TEST.......I ALREADY KNOW BUDDY. I COULDNT AGREE WITH YOU MORE.....BUT I CANT GET IT. GEOGRAPHICALLY RESTRAINED.

 

[Beano Shortz]

bro why dont you just wait the 4-5 weeks until your buddy gets there and get some test and then run the cycle right, or just take the d-bols, but I would just wait it out if I were you, unless you've already started the d-bols then i guess you have no choice but to continue

ok nvm that I just saw it said 4-5 months, fuck that just eat them d-bols buddy, you can always run another cycle in 4-5 months with d-bols and test