Cycle assistance. Would u change anything?

[Truth_Be_Told]

Just trying to find out what a person could expect to gain or achieve by taking this cycle:

Current Stats:

Age: 33
HT: 71.5"
WT: 207 lbs
BF: 18%

Assuming a person already had a successful 8 week cycle of Test and 4 week PCT. The success was gaining 13 lbs and and shredding 5 of them. Reducing 3% body fat.

For the next cycle:

Can a person take test C 200 every 2 days with the tren E injection? The test C injection would be .75 ml rather than doing 1ml ever 4 days?

Current cycle: Please make advise any changes.

-Tren E 200, 1 ml every two days.

-Test C 200, 1 ml every 4 days (but would like to reduce the ml to .75 and do it every 2 days)

-Dbol, 2 pills (20mg?) every 8 hours.

Can Winnstral be added to this?

The goal is to build lean mass everywhere. Do you bulk first and cut down? Can a cycle similar to this helpachieve what needs to be done to build lean mass?

PCT would be:

Week 1-2 Chlomid
Week 1-4 Novadex

But when does a person start the post cycle therapy (pct)? I have heard 2 different answers.

How long can someone run the tren E? Is 3 bottles of Tren E 200 ok if the person already proved they could handle 2 bottles almost 2 months ago?

 

[gymrat112]

Why not just do them both every 4 days and adjust ur mg accordingly? They are both pretty much the same ester.

 

[bigherm2121]

Ya what gymrat said. Is this your second cycle? If you got good gains on test y wouldn't you run another test cycle. I ran test only for 4 cycles. Keep it easy while you can. Too many guys wanna just jump into running 1353728919363 different compounds. Keep it simple. You always wanna run more tren than test. They fight for the same receptor and you want the effects of tren

 

[DADAWG]

at your weight you dont need that much gear to grow . your also making the cycle to complicated , with eth esters theres no need for more than 2 injections a week. also do NOT run 2 orals [ dbol/winnie] as info winnie sucks imo anyway.start post cycle therapy (pct) 2 weeks after the last injection , also run the clomid to the end of post cycle therapy (pct) at 50 mg a day and not just 2 weeks .

 

[jamesl0822]

First it is not necessary to pin Tren E every two days ... I would split however many mg/week into two shots (Mon Thursday) Same with Test C. If you have some reasoning behind injecting more often please clue me in (I'm always open to learning).

Dbol can be used as a kicker in the beginning maybe first 2-4 weeks? This will likely put some water on you. Aromatase inhibitor (AI) arimedex .25mg eod up it if sides appear.

Tren E will definetly lean you out if you keep diet in check it is excellent IMHO for body recomp. I would not run Winstrol with it again as it absolutely demolished my cholesterol levels. Have you had any bloodwork done? I personally would not run Tren E longer than 10-12 weeks as it stresses kidneys for me (high creatinin levels) taking r-ala helps. Masteron at the end will def help take the Tren to the next level if added at the end but not necessary. Beware of masteron if you are DHT sensitive because you will lose your hair.

post cycle therapy (pct) should be Clomid 50/50/50/50 (4weeks 50mg/day) Nolva 40/40/20/20
Start this 14 days after last pin with these esters

I'm a little confused did this person do an 8 week cycle of test with post cycle therapy (pct) or 2 bottles of Tren E? please clarify?

Just my $.02 (probably only worth $.01)

 

[Truth_Be_Told]

Wow,
Great replies everyone. I appreciate the feedback.

James,
10 to 12 weeks of Tren E was the plan. I think that is how I calculated 3 bottles.

Dadawg,
I will do the 2 injections as you mentioned rather than every other day. I was taught every other day because of the half life. Maybe my resource was incorrect. I just need to make sure the weekly Tren to Test ratio is higher for the Tren, correct? How much higher? Roger that, about the PCT. Thanks.

Bigherm,
I went with what I was recommended to do from who I was connected with at my gym. These guys definitely LOOKED like they knew what they were talking about. First cycle was in late 2010. Test and Deca. I even had a personal trainer and I got almost nothing out of it. I honestly think the products were counterfeit. The second cycle was a few months ago and ended 6 weeks ago. Test and Dbol. Some of what I mentioned was indeed info I was requesting for a friend, but now I am talking about me. The above mentioned my second cycle and what is about to be my 3rd. My diet and appearance is actually above average as I am a fitness trainer in the military. However, I do not have the body in my avatar pic, so therefore I am not happy. lol

 

[DADAWG]

Wow,
Great replies everyone. I appreciate the feedback.

James,
10 to 12 weeks of Tren E was the plan. I think that is how I calculated 3 bottles.

Dadawg,
I will do the 2 injections as you mentioned rather than every other day. I was taught every other day because of the half life. Maybe my resource was incorrect. I just need to make sure the weekly Tren to Test ratio is higher for the Tren, correct? How much higher? Roger that, about the PCT. Thanks.

Bigherm,
I went with what I was recommended to do from who I was connected with at my gym. These guys definitely LOOKED like they knew what they were talking about. First cycle was in late 2010. Test and Deca. I even had a personal trainer and I got almost nothing out of it. I honestly think the products were counterfeit. The second cycle was a few months ago and ended 6 weeks ago. Test and Dbol. Some of what I mentioned was indeed info I was requesting for a friend, but now I am talking about me. The above mentioned my second cycle and what is about to be my 3rd. My diet and appearance is actually above average as I am a fitness trainer in the military. However, I do not have the body in my avatar pic, so therefore I am not happy. lol

the ester determines how often you need to inject , eth / enethate esters are long enough to go several days between injection . esters like propinate , acetate , etc. are not and need more frequent injections.

the whole test to tren ratio is a debate these days and neither side has been proven .

at your size you dont need a shit load of gear to grow . 400-500 mg of test and tren a week is pleanty , you could jump start with dbol for 4 weeks or so but dont go crazy on the dose.start pct 2 weeks after the last test injection and run clomid at 50 mg a day for 3-4 weeks.

 

[UserAt204]

I would say 500-600mg test a week two injects.

Add dbol first 4 weeks 40-50mg a day.

Aromisin on hand if needed.

Pct clomid or torem for 4 full weeks
Add nolva for 4 full weeks.

Save tren for later cycles. Test only or test dbol is plenty for first few cycles. I still do that after 9 years.

I don't agree that tren has to or should be ran higher than test. Yes you can run it that way, yes I have ran it that way, but it's not for everyone. Some guys have libido issues, some more sides from tren, others are fine and have less sides. I would personally keep test equally as high or higher first time around to see how you respond to tren then adjust dosing from there. Im not really concerned which has a stronger affinity for the AR because we have no way to tell which is attaching and if you think about it some compounds have a very weak binding affinity to AR yet produce huge gains.

With this stuff there really are no by the book rules other than including test in all cycles for me. From there it's trial and error to see what works best because we all respond differently.

 

[jamesl0822]

The second cycle was a few months ago and ended 6 weeks ago. Test and Dbol.

Not enough time to be back on again. You need to stay off for the amount of time you were on plus pct ... so if you did a 10 wk cycle plus 4 wk pct you need to be off for 14weeks. Blood tests can confirm that you are ready earlier but its best to let your body stay at natural levels for a bit.

 

[Truth_Be_Told]

I appreciate all the info. Thank you everyone.