Cycle For a Runner... Lean and Mean?

RunnerX

RunnerX

I'm a running fool!
Ok guys,

I've be perusing the forums for some time now and I think I'm ready to start asking questions. First off a little background on myself... I'm turning 30 in Feb, I'm 6'1'' 160lbs, about 13%BF.

I've been running pretty hardcore for the past two years to lose weight and get fit. I was pretty big in to working out when I was in high school and made some really good gains in collage. I was around 190... then I got married and the 190 turned into fatty mc fatterson and I've been fighting ever since to take it off.

I'm happy with my weight loss, but I'm pretty upset with my muscle loss... My biceps are at least half the size they used to be.

So the question I'm posting today is... Is there something I can do to lean up and enhance my running and recovery without dooming my running? Here's the weird thing.... I don't want to gain a ton of weight... as you have to be pretty light to do well in running... But I would like to defiantly tone up everything in to a cut army of power that's able to explode off the starting line...LOL

All the forums that I've visited say that HGH is good for these types of results other places I've seen that EQ Is a good solution. I was thinking of doing an EQ cycle as it's much cheaper than HGH and I'm not really a fan of having to stick myself everyday and what not. Most people say it's useless to cycle it without a base like test. But if I'm not trying to get huge does that still hold true for me? If that's the case and seeing as this is my first cycle since collage should I just do a test e or Winstrol (winny) cycle by its self?

Maybe run some CLEN along with it to help cut down the rest of the weight I have in my gutter region?

I'd really appreciate any advice you guys could give..
 
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Thanks for the reply,

So just a straight up "EQ only" with the normal PTC afterwords?

something like:

Weeks 1-12:400mg EQ every week (split in two 200mg shots taken Mon./Thurs.)
Weeks 13-14:Nothing
Weeks 15-17:Clomid @ 300mg** day 1, 100mg days 2-11, 50mg days 12-21

Should I run clen along side? Maybe Clen @60mcg two weeks on two weeks off until week 15?
 
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Really interested in seeing you get some help here.

I read your paragraph but still don't understand your goals. What specifically do you want to accomplish by being on any AAS? You say "enhance my running and recovery". What does that mean? You a 100M sprinter or a marathoner? You going for gold or you just trying to stay fit?

Regarding arm size, you're 30, meaning natty test is dropping and you run (how much I don't know) but significant aerobic excercise is going to be catabolic to muscles not being used. Look at a world-class sprinter and then look at a world-class marathoner. Completely different body types.
 
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I am also interested in what more experienced guys will say. We all know what the track stars got busted with in the 80's, but I doubt that Winstrol (winny) will but what people tell you to use. I am pretty sure just telling you to be Ben Johnson won't help much. I CAN tell you that dbol makes it nearly impossible to run, so cross that right off any list. I also don't fully understand your goals, but since I can't help much, it isn't too important.
 
ScrawnyLawyer84 said:
... that dbol makes it nearly impossible to run, so cross that right off any list.
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Agreed!! I don't want anything that will affect my performance as its my final goal... I was told by another user to nix the clen idea as it apparently affects how you feel when doing cardio.. Which I've read elsewhere so I'm ok with just diet and maybe some p90x to cut my final weight down.

I just really want to know if EQ is gonna help or hurt my running.. If it helps and I get shredded during the process.. Man I'll be super happy.
 
Thanks Die$eL~Man,

I would appreciate your thoughts on my proposed cycle.

Weeks 1-12:400mg EQ every week (split in two 200mg shots taken Mon./Thurs.)
Weeks 13-14:Nothing
Weeks 15-17:Clomid @ 300mg** day 1, 100mg days 2-11, 50mg days 12-21

Should I get some Nolv just in case?
 
I used EQ with test. For me I wouldn't ever run a cycle without a test base, even a small one. I can't speak to your goals if you can use test or not. I liked EQ. Muscles are very hard and your veins pop out (vascularity). However, it made me hungry and I ate like jabba the hutt. That was awesome for me while bulking but the appetite but might be less diserable for a runner staying lean. All around though EQ was good. I didn't like the length of the ester but such is life. Sides were basically nonexistent. EQ is mild. Do have ancillaries on hand as you always should but I wouldn't except anything extreme.
 
Also, I'd run 500-600mg. Not that 400 won't be fine, but EQ is quite mild. Just my opinion. I normally hate saying "use more" but on EQ it really is rather controllable.
 
If you are a competitive distance runner, I doubt if you'll be happy with the results of any AAS. They tend to do all of the things that endurance athletes try to avoid like the plague: Increase BP (and therefore resting HR), add non sports specific muscle mass (therefore increasing the burden on the heart and joints), potential for immuno-suppression, decreased flexibility etc. The list could go on ad nauseum.

If are just a recreational runner, and plan on giving it the old college try, then I agree with SL84. Test base (125-200mg/wk), and EQ.

Either way, good luck and best wishes.

Poly
 
ScrawnyLawyer84 said:
I used EQ with test. For me I wouldn't ever run a cycle without a test base, even a small one. I can't speak to your goals if you can use test or not. I liked EQ. Muscles are very hard and your veins pop out (vascularity). However, it made me hungry and I ate like jabba the hutt. That was awesome for me while bulking but the appetite but might be less diserable for a runner staying lean. All around though EQ was good. I didn't like the length of the ester but such is life. Sides were basically nonexistent. EQ is mild. Do have ancillaries on hand as you always should but I wouldn't except anything extreme.
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Gotcha... Thanks for the info.. I'm a little hesitant to stack the test.. I know it seems weird, but I'm actually afraid it will add on too much muscle weight. Like you said EQ is mild.. That's what I'm looking for... But on the second hand I don't want to waste my time either. I've read a few posts from people running eq by its self at a higher dosage as you suggested.. and rendered good hard muscle results. Maybe I'll just do that.. Run it at 500-600.
 
Polynikes666 said:
If you are a competitive distance runner, I doubt if you'll be happy with the results of any AAS. They tend to do all of the things that endurance athletes try to avoid like the plague: Increase BP (and therefore resting HR), add non sports specific muscle mass (therefore increasing the burden on the heart and joints), potential for immuno-suppression, decreased flexibility etc. The list could go on ad nauseum.

If are just a recreational runner, and plan on giving it the old college try, then I agree with SL84. Test base (125-200mg/wk), and EQ.
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Thank you for the information... This is what I'm wanting to learn about.. If it’s going to affect my runs negatively than I might just hold off and just do some mass gains in my off season or something. I was hoping for gains in red blood cell and recovery from doing the eq.

Another reason I was leaning towards eq only... just because i know test will cause bloating and increase in bp. I just hadn't heard that about eq..

Like you said I guess I can always give it an old college try and document my results and share with the group. If I do well then we'll know... I was just hoping someone had laid the path already.
 
The more I'm reading the more I'm understanding that I need test as a base if I'm going to run EQ. If not only to save my sex drive I should at least add some Test or something to my cycle.. Maybe a low dosage at 250 ew.

WHat say you?
 
yes you need to run at least 150mg a week. EQ will be excellent for your joints as long as you keep your T dose under 200mg. the pumps will slow you down though.
 
If you are truly this considered about gaining "too much" muscle, AAS may bit e the right choice. I know your goals, but it still seems to me that they don't really mesh 100%. AAS tends to be a "go big or go home" approach. Just saying I'd think about if this is the rift move.
 
If your really want to stay lean for your running, and running is your priority I would not recommend aas. Or change your sport to be more conducive to your goals.

Your diet and training plays a big part of aas use and the results!

For your particular sport, training and diet, aas IMO
will be basically useless and a waste of funds!


Is it endurance running that you do?
 
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