cycle input? test e and tbol

[usmc0311x]

so im 6ft4in 225lbs 15percent bodyfat goals of cycle gain 10 lbs lean mass and get get down to 12 percent bf how does this look
test e 500 x 12wks
tbol 60 mg day x last 8 weeks
pct clomid 50/50/50/50

do you think adex is needed since tbol has very few esto signs I have never ran this cycle before only exp I have is dbol and test cycles. and how much cardio would you guys recommend? thanks for your time

 

[clman8585]

Yea use Alex at .25mg every other day.

 

[clman8585]

Do cardio to stay healthy. Use diet to lose fat.

 

[usmc0311x]

thanks man and thanks for the pm u sent me I cant pm yet gay shit I need so many posts before I can pm

Yea use Alex at .25mg every other day.

 

[usmc0311x]

I always eat clean 7 meals a day but high carbs and high protein would you suggest lowering carb intake I don't want to loose muscle

Do cardio to stay healthy. Use diet to lose fat.

 

[clman8585]

You can go low carb on cycle without worrying about dropping muscle. I go hypo if im under 400ish carbs a day. So its harder for me to cut up without going into a coma and dieing lol. You can try carb cycling...for example..high carb day 1..medium cArb day 2..lowlow carb day 3 and 4..then repeat.

 

[Protobuilder69]

Tbol doesnt have any estrogenic side effects, I ran it alone once, and it was a amazing.
Cardio is good, i recommend starting with 3x a week for 30min and increase it to 5x a week for 45 min a day, and lower your fat intake on cycle and eat more carbs and protein when coming off cycle increase healthy monounsaturated fats to boost your test and get back on track naturally.

 

[Chase1985]

Personally i would kickstart the cycle and run the t-bol the first 8 weeks, that way you start making gains right away test doesn't start kicking in until week 4-5

 

[Norsegod]

Kick start with the tbol or do first four weeks and last four weeks. Make it a more productive cycle.

 

[Rida5d]

8 weeks for an oral is too much.
U ll stress ur liver.

 

[thades]

Agree, start and end with tbol, 4 weeks each. I'd get some NAC too for your liver, super cheap, can't hurt, take it with food.

 

[clman8585]

Agree, start and end with tbol, 4 weeks each. I'd get some NAC too for your liver, super cheap, can't hurt, take it with food.

Lol that would be 8 weeks..just split in two.

 

[thades]

I understand that, but I really don't think two four week orals with four weeks in between is that harsh, especially running NAC alongside. NAC at around 2-3 grams a day can do wonders for the liver, if you haven't tried it you should.

I don't believe tbol to be that harsh of an oral either, not like he's wanting to run halo and superdrol 4 weeks each in a 12 week span. Just my opinion

 

[clman8585]

8 weeks straight is more harsh? Im curious why?

 

[usmc0311x]

hmmm now i dont know what im going to do splitting it up dosn't sound like a bad Idea but I was under the impression tbol isn't that bad of an oral and I also understand its not as fast working as dbol even though its just alterd dbol and ppl run var for 8 wks all the time its a oral maybe not as strong but anyways I think I might use it for 6wks at the end of my cycle thanks for the opinions guys I appreciate em

 

[thades]

hmmm now i dont know what im going to do splitting it up dosn't sound like a bad Idea but I was under the impression tbol isn't that bad of an oral and I also understand its not as fast working as dbol even though its just alterd dbol and ppl run var for 8 wks all the time its a oral maybe not as strong but anyways I think I might use it for 6wks at the end of my cycle thanks for the opinions guys I appreciate em

People say tbol isn't as fast acting as dbol because on dbol you will add quite a bit of water...quickly. Gonna build muscle about the same rate.

Var is arguably the most mild oral, besides maybe provi, but provi is provi, not gonna go there.

To clman: 8 weeks straight is more harsh because if you split it you are giving your liver four weeks in the middle to recover, whereas 8 weeks straight is just that...8 weeks of straight abuse. Personally, I wouldn't be afraid to run tbol for 8 weeks straight, but that's because I know exactly what my body can take, as verified by bloodwork, and would be getting bloodwork done every four weeks while on cycle. I wouldn't run any oral for more than four weeks without bloodwork...besides maybe var.

 

[Protobuilder69]

Tbol takes 2-3 weeks to fully kick in, kickstarting with tbol is NOT a good idea, by the time the fun starts your're done with it, its pointless.

 

[thades]

Tbol takes 2-3 weeks to fully kick in, kickstarting with tbol is NOT a good idea, by the time the fun starts your're done with it, its pointless.

Personal opinion, I disagree. Feel tbol in much less than two weeks, around the end of week one

 

[Norsegod]

Yeah, takes me about 8 days to really get good pumps and strength from tbol. And a break is a good idea in the middle for the oral. like he said, gives your body a break. Definitely get some NAC. Good luck, brotha

 

[Protobuilder69]

Personal opinion, I disagree. Feel tbol in much less than two weeks, around the end of week one

Feeling it means nothin, I feel it in less than a week, but the strength and mass gain doesnt come around till week 3, from my experience the more you're on it the better the results, Tbol was giving me results past week 8, but i cut it short to give my body a break, so if you wanna kick start with tbol its bettter to be on it atleast 8 weeks to rip the full benefits, 4 weeks is useless.