Cycle Review and Questions

[RockyRambo]

Hi,

I would request the pro's to review my cycle. This is my first cycle and following has been the protocol:
Test E run for 250,250,500,500,500,250 for 6 weeks.
I have gained around 8 kgs (muscle, water, some fat) in 6 weeks. My body fat% , I hope, has not dramatically changed ; I didn't measure it though. I was on a calorie uptake as well. I do have some questions though:
1. My face looks bloated - I didn't use any of the AI's during the cycle, so can I hope that the bloating will go off during/after pct? Or could it take any longer?
2. My PCT - I am planning to run 2000 i.u. Hucog (HCG) once every week for two weeks along with
Fertomid (this has the same compound Clomifene Citrate as Clomid) 50 mg every day for two weeks. Is this pct good enough?
3. How much could I plan to lose when I run the pct or I am off?
4. When should I think of cutting back the fat%age? 1 month after pct?
5. Will using BPI AHD and BPI solid after 45 days of my last HCG injection help me in anyway?

I am 5'10'' at around 81 kgs now. Please advise!!

 

[Megatron28]

6 weeks and no AI (with tapering of the test dose) -- my guess is you pretty much just gained water weight due to elevated estradiol. Looks like you did not do enough research prior to starting your cycle.

It usually takes about 4-6 weeks to even feel the positive benefits of Test E.

 

[jack3d4life]

Hi,

I would request the pro's to review my cycle. This is my first cycle and following has been the protocol:
Test E run for 250,250,500,500,500,250 for 6 weeks.
I have gained around 8 kgs (muscle, water, some fat) in 6 weeks. My body fat% , I hope, has not dramatically changed ; I didn't measure it though. I was on a calorie uptake as well. I do have some questions though:
1. My face looks bloated - I didn't use any of the AI's during the cycle, so can I hope that the bloating will go off during/after pct? Or could it take any longer?
2. My PCT - I am planning to run 2000 i.u. Hucog (HCG) once every week for two weeks along with
Fertomid (this has the same compound Clomifene Citrate as Clomid) 50 mg every day for two weeks. Is this pct good enough?
3. How much could I plan to lose when I run the pct or I am off?
4. When should I think of cutting back the fat%age? 1 month after pct?
5. Will using BPI AHD and BPI solid after 45 days of my last HCG injection help me in anyway?

I am 5'10'' at around 81 kgs now. Please advise!!

How the hell old are you? And did you do any research because your cycle sucks dude. You haven't gained any muscle. Nothing but water and on a surplus of calories I'm positive you've gained a nice bit of fat as well.

So ill go down your list.

0. You don't taper test like that, leave it at 500 and stay there for 12 weeks.
1. Don't be negligent and get your ass an ai.
2. Run your hcg throughout cycle, your balls are already taking a dive dude. And no its for 4 weeks not 2. Add nolva also at 40/40/20/20
3. With your knowledge... A lot
4. That's your choice.
5. Otc bullshit is exactly what it is, bullshit. So no.

All I want to know is who gave you your info?

 

[RockyRambo]

Well, I did feel the positive benefits of Test E during these 6 weeks. Strength and muscle gains , though I agree, not dramatic. I did see gains immediately after workout and they weren't the 'transient hypertrophy' , the temporary swelling of muscles due to drop sets or a good volume workout. Yeah, I do have a lot of water weight. That's what I think so because my face looks pretty bloated. I must agree there has not been a very dramatic increase in my muscularity apart from some improvements..

 

[jack3d4life]

Well, I did feel the positive benefits of Test E during these 6 weeks. Strength and muscle gains , though I agree, not dramatic. I did see gains immediately after workout and they weren't the 'transient hypertrophy' , the temporary swelling of muscles due to drop sets or a good volume workout. Yeah, I do have a lot of water weight. That's what I think so because my face looks pretty bloated. I must agree there has not been a very dramatic increase in my muscularity apart from some improvements..

How old are you?

 

[RockyRambo]

How the hell old are you? And did you do any research because your cycle sucks dude. You haven't gained any muscle. Nothing but water and on a surplus of calories I'm positive you've gained a nice bit of fat as well.

So ill go down your list.

0. You don't taper test like that, leave it at 500 and stay there for 12 weeks.
1. Don't be negligent and get your ass an ai.
2. Run your hcg throughout cycle, your balls are already taking a dive dude. And no its for 4 weeks not 2. Add nolva also at 40/40/20/20
3. With your knowledge... A lot
4. That's your choice.
5. Otc bullshit is exactly what it is, bullshit. So no.

All I want to know is who gave you your info?

Thanks for the detailed response..well, I am 28 at present. hmmm, guess my cycle sucked .. Actually, I am supposed to move to Singapore pretty soon and had exactly 8 week duration to run a cycle before my move. Since, I had heard that Singapore has pretty strict norms with roids so I was too afraid too even think of doing this over there. So, I kind of had to finish off a pct and a cycle in 8 weeks. You might take this as an 'experiment' !! Even I feel that there has been a lot of water retention, my face is bloated..!! ..I haven't got an increased waist line but I have gained muscle as well (comparing the before/after pictures), though I must admit not very dramatic. Since, I am up the scales so much (8kgs), I think most of it has to be water .

0. Yeah, even I heard that the minimum T needed is 500 mg to see any potential benefits. So, one shouldn't taper the test esters at all?
1. What AI do I need? Could you recommend something that can be obtained from a pharmacist? (I bought the T from the pharmacist because I know him personally and I don't want to get into the shady /grey market to source something else). Moreover, if I don't take an AI now, would it be 'harmful' in any way?
2. My cycle is over. I have two 2000 i.u vials of HCG. Since, I didn't take enough Test to start with, do I need to inject 2000*4 HCG? Won't two injections be enough? I also read somewhere that taking more HCG at one time might backfire and HCG can get converted to estrogen. I just want to play it as 'safe' as possible. Additionally, I just have one week left before I move to SG, so I am planning to inject HCG 2000 i.u on Sunday (my last 250 mg test E is over last week Sunday) and another on Friday morning or Thursday evening as I am flying on Friday noon time. I will carry 7-8 fertomid 50 mg tablets with me to SG. Do I really need nolva now?
3. So, let's say, if it's mostly water weight, when would I expect to see it go? during pct, or how long after pct? Do I need to do anything else to help let the water go or would there be an automatic immediate/ gradual water loss?

P.S. I have not experienced any gyno/acne yet. My libido is high. Well, you can say an 'roid experienced dude' who had used the same cycle on himself and claimed that he gained 18 lbs and could retain 7-8 lbs.

 

[RockyRambo]

How old are you?

28 !

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks for the detailed response..well, I am 28 at present. hmmm, guess my cycle sucked .. Actually, I am supposed to move to Singapore pretty soon and had exactly 8 week duration to run a cycle before my move. Since, I had heard that Singapore has pretty strict norms with roids so I was too afraid too even think of doing this over there. So, I kind of had to finish off a pct and a cycle in 8 weeks. You might take this as an 'experiment' !! Even I feel that there has been a lot of water retention, my face is bloated..!! ..I haven't got an increased waist line but I have gained muscle as well (comparing the before/after pictures), though I must admit not very dramatic. Since, I am up the scales so much (8kgs), I think most of it has to be water .

0. Yeah, even I heard that the minimum T needed is 500 mg to see any potential benefits. So, one shouldn't taper the test esters at all?
1. What AI do I need? Could you recommend something that can be obtained from a pharmacist? (I bought the T from the pharmacist because I know him personally and I don't want to get into the shady /grey market to source something else). Moreover, if I don't take an AI now, would it be 'harmful' in any way?
2. My cycle is over. I have two 2000 i.u vials of HCG. Since, I didn't take enough Test to start with, do I need to inject 2000*4 HCG? Won't two injections be enough? I also read somewhere that taking more HCG at one time might backfire and HCG can get converted to estrogen. I just want to play it as 'safe' as possible. Additionally, I just have one week left before I move to SG, so I am planning to inject HCG 2000 i.u on Sunday (my last 250 mg test E is over last week Sunday) and another on Friday morning or Thursday evening as I am flying on Friday noon time. I will carry 7-8 fertomid 50 mg tablets with me to SG. Do I really need nolva now?
3. So, let's say, if it's mostly water weight, when would I expect to see it go? during pct, or how long after pct? Do I need to do anything else to help let the water go or would there be an automatic immediate/ gradual water loss?

P.S. I have not experienced any gyno/acne yet. My libido is high. Well, you can say an 'roid experienced dude' who had used the same cycle on himself and claimed that he gained 18 lbs and could retain 7-8 lbs.

I don't even know where to start... There is so much in here that is so wrong. I just hope that you don't do yourself serious harm. You need to do a lot of homework before you even think about touching AAS again.

I will point out that AI and SERMS are different. Clomid is a SERM.

 

[RockyRambo]

I don't even know where to start... There is so much in here that is so wrong. I just hope that you don't do yourself serious harm. You need to do a lot of homework before you even think about touching AAS again.

I will point out that AI and SERMS are different. Clomid is a SERM.

Well, I got your point! And I accept the fact that I've f****d up!! But, I don't want to mess it now. Please forget gains/water retention, etc.
Please advise the best pct that I can have now. I can definitely source an HCG 2000/5000 i.u. and fertomid/clomid tablets. I might not be able to source any other chemical during this time. My last test e injection was on 22nd Dec, Sunday. Should I get two 2000 i.u HCG on this Sunday and one 5000 i.u. on either Thursday evening or Friday morning? and take clomid for two weeks starting this Sunday?
I know that I have not given any gap after my last injection of Test for my pct. Am I running into any potential risk now? What's the best that I can do now to prevent any harm? Please advise. I am actually freaking out in desperation!

 

[Megatron28]

Well, I got your point! And I accept the fact that I've f****d up!! But, I don't want to mess it now. Please forget gains/water retention, etc.
Please advise the best pct that I can have now. I can definitely source an HCG 2000/5000 i.u. and fertomid/clomid tablets. I might not be able to source any other chemical during this time. My last test e injection was on 22nd Dec, Sunday. Should I get two 2000 i.u HCG on this Sunday and one 5000 i.u. on either Thursday evening or Friday morning? and take clomid for two weeks starting this Sunday?
I know that I have not given any gap after my last injection of Test for my pct. Am I running into any potential risk now? What's the best that I can do now to prevent any harm? Please advise. I am actually freaking out in desperation!

You need to let the test clear out of your system before starting PCT. One Test E you probably need to give it a couple of weeks.

I am on TRT so I don't have to do PCT. Other guys can give you advice on PCT. Sorry.