Dbol/Test E Cycle Progress Update!! Need some feedback.

[Willysnipes92]

So for starters... I'm 21 and decided to start a Dbol/Test E Cycle. Before cycle I weighed 168 lbs and around 8% BF (5'9") and after 5 weeks of Dbol/Test E I weight about 180-182 lbs about the same BF.

Cycle:
-Dbol Week 1-5
-Test E 250mg 2x weekly alternating glutes Week 1-12

Haven't been using an AI during the cycle... Couldn't get any from my guy... He said he has no arimidex in anything under a 20mg tablet? Not sure how accurate he was there but I trust him.

Also haven't gotten blood-work done yet, will be doing so shortly within the next few days to see how everything is looking.

PCT:
-Clomid/Nolvadex

Workout Plan:
-Chest/Biceps
-Shoulders/Traps
-Rest Day
-Back/Triceps
-Legs
-Repeat

Diet:
-Haven't really done the macros on the diet... At first I was getting approx 3500 calories a day eating lots of eggs, lean chicken, rice, protein shakes, turkey subs, etc... I was keeping it pretty lean. At about week 3 my diet slowed down because of classes and I kind of halted on the weight gain around 180 lbs. Now around week 4-5 to this current day my diet consists of 3-4 solid meals a day, with 3 weight gainer protein shakes so I am taking in about 3500-4500 calories a day.

Within the first few weeks I gained a good amount of strength... My bench went from 235 up to 275... Squats are around 330 max right now, deadlifts around 245 (Just started deadlifting). So overall my strength has been great. I feel a lot stronger, my energy hasn't really changed much, I haven't had any serious breakouts on my skin, although it is starting to get more oily. I drink about a gallon of water a day, haven't really drank any alcohol on cycle except once for the end of the year college party, but that's about it. I just want some feedback on the pics and anything I can do to gain more weight. I am a hardgainer so its tough for me to gain weight.

I am pretty sure that the weight I have gained is not water weight, because I never look bloated or feel bloated so I am assuming most of the 12-14 lb gains are mainly muscle.

Around week 4 I started getting some sensitive nips, so I took 40mg Nolva for 2 days and have been taking 20mg Nolva ED to help reduce this problem.

With the injections, I use a 25g needle 1"... Is this too small? I haven't noticed any knots/bumps under the skin so I am assuming the Test E is being absorbed because of my low BF percentage.

Also, I am not sure if I feel the Test E that much yet... I have always had crazy libido, so it would be hard for me to notice the libido. I have noticed I have increased body temperature, I get pissed way easier now than pre-cycle... So I am assuming the Test is just starting to kick in.

Here are some before pics:

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And here are some cycle pics from 5 weeks in:

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Hope you all enjoy, please let me know what you guys think!

 

[Megatron28]

Where's your aromatase inhibitor in all this? How does you mid-cycle blood work look?

 

[Micklos]

And...did you say "School" in there?

 

[Willysnipes92]

Yes I did say school, as in college classes... I'm 1 month from 22 years old. Also, for the AI question, I edited my post.

 

[Micklos]

Yes I did say school, as in college classes... I'm 1 month from 22 years old. Also, for the AI question, I edited my post.

Ahh. Here we never call college school. Hence the question. We leave school at 16 - 18 here

 

[Megatron28]

You need an AI. Nolvs just protects you from gyno. But your estradiol is still elevated and you get all the negative effects that come with that. Look at the top of your screen for the RUI banner ad. You can get Arimidex from there.

 

[Willysnipes92]

You need an AI. Nolvs just protects you from gyno. But your estradiol is still elevated and you get all the negative effects that come with that. Look at the top of your screen for the RUI banner ad. You can get Arimidex from there.

Ok I got some arimidex they are
20mg each... He said take 1 EoD is this alright or too much?

 

[Megatron28]

Ok I got some arimidex they are
20mg each... He said take 1 EoD is this alright or too much?

Way too much. Try .25mg EOD. Note the decimal. 1/4th of one mg every other day.

I have never heard of adex come is 20mg pills. Nobody would ever take a pill dosed that high.

 

[Willysnipes92]

Ok yeah my guy told me they are 1mg he wasn't lookin at the right thing... So should I take .5mg of those AI everyday? And how long til I notice the estrogen levels dropping... Because I feel like my test should be kicked in or kicking in now and it's probably the high estrogen blocking the T

 

[Megatron28]

Start at .25mg EOD like I said and get. Blood work after about 10 days to see where your estradiol is at. Make adjustments as indicated by the results.

What do you mean by "high estrogen blocking the T"?

 

[Willysnipes92]

Start at .25mg EOD like I said and get. Blood work after about 10 days to see where your estradiol is at. Make adjustments as indicated by the results.

What do you mean by "high estrogen blocking the T"?

I read somewhere that high estrogen levels can reduce the amount of free T that can bind to androgen receptors or something. I mean it's been 5 weeks of test e and I don't know if I feel it or not honestly. I feel stronger and better but I'm s tired and don't feel like a fucking beast yet. That's also why I questioned if the 1" needle is long enough for glutes... Like what's the issue? Should I be feeling the test more or soon or what?

 

[Pacific Rim]

Maybe you have some underdosed gear?
Your supplier couldn't read the label correctly raises a red flag for me.
Also, I suggest keep reading so you know what you're getting into.
A lot of people will try to take advantage of you.
And injecting in your glute with a 1inch needles may be too short to get deep within the muscle, but would only slow down the rate of absorption, not the overall effect of the steroid.

Give it some more time, look for another source and if you want get bloodwork.
But by now you should feel a sense of euphoria, have a great sex drive, and notice some changes with your strength and weight.

 

[Megatron28]

I read somewhere that high estrogen levels can reduce the amount of free T that can bind to androgen receptors or something.

What happens is that high estrogen means that the testosterone has aromatized (converted) into estradiol. Therefore you now have less testosterone in total.

Test and estrogen both bind to SHBG... so let's not get I to the whole Free T analysis. Just leave it at there is less Total Testosterone as a result of aromatization.

 

[Megatron28]

Get blood work and see what your TT, E2, LH, FSH and Hematocrit are at. Always good to get a full CBC and Metabolic Panel too.

 

[MBB]

What happens is that high estrogen means that the testosterone has aromatized (converted) into estradiol. Therefore you now have less testosterone in total.

Megatron, does that mean that if you have high TT levels and elevated E2 you'll have less testosterone to be used by your body, even if the levels are high on blood work? Basically what I'm asking is if you had TT around 1200, by E2 above range does that mean that you'll actually be benefiting by about a level of around TT 800? I know these numbers are just numbers, but is this the logic behind high TT and elevated E2?

 

[Megatron28]

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Megatron, does that mean that if you have high TT levels and elevated E2 you'll have less testosterone to be used by your body, even if the levels are high on blood work? Basically what I'm asking is if you had TT around 1200, by E2 above range does that mean that you'll actually be benefiting by about a level of around TT 800? I know these numbers are just numbers, but is this the logic behind high TT and elevated E2?

What I am saying is that your TT would have been higher had you prevented the aromatization of it into estradiol.