Deca Durabolin recovery

[bigtimechief]

I realize the clearance time of this is lengthy. 4-5 weeks after last shot is a good time to start PCT correct? My main concern is the long term effects of this steroid. I've read tons of guys saying "never gain" and the stuff "takes forever to recover from." A few have mentioned they never fully came back around. While i believe this is a possiblity with all steroids, is it more so with deca durabolin? Is it dose dependent?

Thanks ahead of time.

 

[bigtimechief]

Also, this cycle is assuming running test two weeks longer than deca...

 

[Austinite]

generally deca is used along with Test. That said, you simply stop deca 1 week before Test, and you can still PCT 2 weeks after. Deca can cause ED, but if you run hCG on cycle you'll be fine.

 

[bigtimechief]

Lol. that was going to be my next question. Is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) the difference maker here? Like i mentioned earlier, i've heard so many guys complaining about shutdown. I obviously couldn't get everyone's cycle information, but it seemed Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) was the missing link in a lot of these recovery issues.

Also, Austinite, since i've got you here.. Is Nolva safe to run 3 weeks after Deca shot? This is with the use of Prami throughout?

 

[Austinite]

Lol. that was going to be my next question. Is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) the difference maker here? Like i mentioned earlier, i've heard so many guys complaining about shutdown. I obviously couldn't get everyone's cycle information, but it seemed Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) was the missing link in a lot of these recovery issues.

Also, Austinite, since i've got you here.. Is Nolva safe to run 3 weeks after Deca shot? This is with the use of Prami throughout?

yes, you can run it on cycle too.

 

[bigtimechief]

You're doing a lot for everyone on this forum my man. It's good to see that someone is taking a bit of a stand against misinformation. I've no doubt that you've done a lot for this forum and most certainly people's health. Thanks for what you do.

Now, time to get swole.

 

[Austinite]

You're doing a lot for everyone on this forum my man. It's good to see that someone is taking a bit of a stand against misinformation. I've no doubt that you've done a lot for this forum and most certainly people's health. Thanks for what you do.

Now, time to get swole.

Thanks for the kind words. What misinformation did you get? Nolva and 19-nor don't mix?

 

[bigtimechief]

Lol. btw. Tried to rep you again, and it was like "you need to spread the rep around more before you can rep austinite again."

 

[bigtimechief]

Thanks for the kind words. What misinformation did you get? Nolva and 19-nor don't mix?

Yep.

 

[Austinite]

Yep.

Yeah, that's pretty common but it's also very old info.

Nolva is a mixed agonist/antagonist for estrogen receptor. In some tissue, progesterone upregulation can happen. Like in the uterus because it's estrogen-sensitive. But our concern is the breast where Nolva blocks the estrogen receptor. Progesterone receptor is then synthesized. So blocked estrogen receptor = down regulated progesterone receptor.

In short... No issues coupling the two.

 

[bigtimechief]

Fantastic. Here's one slightly off topic: Does nandrolone and test effect the cardiovascular system to a degree? I'm running a 10 mile B.S. tough mudder i signed up for long ago. Any tips or suggestions on this issue? I"ve heard muscle pumps, anything else?

Sorry to keep you busy. I appreciate the info.

 

[Austinite]

Fantastic. Here's one slightly off topic: Does nandrolone and test effect the cardiovascular system to a degree? I'm running a 10 mile B.S. tough mudder i signed up for long ago. Any tips or suggestions on this issue? I"ve heard muscle pumps, anything else?

Sorry to keep you busy. I appreciate the info.

Nothing BS about that. That's some serious work. Good job signing up. I've never had crazy pumps from test and deca. I actually feel really comfortable with deca. I've been running a low dose of deca for 2 years nonstop now.

 

[bigben66]

Nothing BS about that. That's some serious work. Good job signing up. I've never had crazy pumps from test and deca. I actually feel really comfortable with deca. I've been running a low dose of deca for 2 years nonstop now.

Austinite, I'm intrigued... why the 2yr low dose of Deca? Do you suffer with joint issues? Or is this purely for muscular reasons?

 

[Austinite]

Austinite, I'm intrigued... why the 2yr low dose of Deca? Do you suffer with joint issues? Or is this purely for muscular reasons?

No muscular purposes. Joints mostly. I had my endo write me a script a couple years ago and started at 100mg per week. recently increased to 150. Really makes a difference. Without it, I think my training would suffer and I wouldn't be as comfortable throughout the day.

 

[5x10]

I realize the clearance time of this is lengthy. 4-5 weeks after last shot is a good time to start PCT correct? My main concern is the long term effects of this steroid. I've read tons of guys saying "never gain" and the stuff "takes forever to recover from." A few have mentioned they never fully came back around. While i believe this is a possiblity with all steroids, is it more so with deca durabolin? Is it dose dependent?

Thanks ahead of time.

you are correct on the wait time till pct starts, deca takes forever to get out of,your system and even in small doses, is highly suppressive

Make sure u keep running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during those weeks, while waiting for it to clear your system

 

[bigtimechief]

you are correct on the wait time till pct starts, deca takes forever to get out of,your system and even in small doses, is highly suppressive

Make sure u keep running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during those weeks, while waiting for it to clear your system

I'll more than likely blast Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) eod around 500-1000iu the weeks leading up to PCT.

 

[DjangoUnchained]

Just a suggestion...

In your waiting period, why don't you bridge with something? Anavar (var) or winny..

Reason I say this is because that waiting period seems like years when you are coming off cycle... low motivation, loss in strength, and energy levels very low..

It's easy to become lazy in your waiting period, bridge with an oral to avoid some of this..

Just my 2 cents

 

[DUBBED]

wait 3 week for deca then make test go 1 or 2 week longer then deca.
It is what I read.

 

[bigtimechief]

Just a suggestion...

In your waiting period, why don't you bridge with something? Anavar (var) or winny..

Reason I say this is because that waiting period seems like years when you are coming off cycle... low motivation, loss in strength, and energy levels very low..

It's easy to become lazy in your waiting period, bridge with an oral to avoid some of this..

Just my 2 cents

Not a bad idea. I'll have a look at my mid cycle blood work, and if it looks good i'll consider it. I've got a bucketload of superdrol i need to use.

 

[bigtimechief]

And here's a thought: While running HCG in the last 2-3 weeks after the last test pin, would an oral steroid set my pct back? I realize HCG mimics LH and will suppress your natural HPTA function anyways, but would an oral inhibit the progress i'm trying to create while using HCG?