Designing a 9 week PH bridge...alpha 1 T or Super DMZ?

[Jbergman90]

Whats up everyone? I just finished up running IML's m-sten @ 20mg's a day for 4 weeks, then on the fourth week, added in CEL's stano-drol to lengthen the cycle a bit. Overall, i'm very happy with the results. I put about 18 Lb's, I'd say 14 of that was LBM.

I'm planning my next cycle for september, and I have 2 different ideas for cycles.
The general idea is to spend a few weeks before the cycle upping my calories, then do an all out bulk for the 3 weeks im using the A1T, then the remaining 5 weeks doing a recomp,

Cycle 1
Week 1-2: Blackstone Labs Alpha-1 T @ 60 mg's (3 caps daily)
Week 3: Blackstone Labs Alpha-1 T @ 60 mg's + 75 mg's Trenabol
Week 4-8: Blackstone Labs Trenabol @ 90 mg's (6 caps daily)

Cycle 2
Week 1-3: Blackstone Labs Super DMZ 2.0 @ 20 mg's (2 caps)
Week 4: Blackstone Labs Super DMZ 2.0 @ 20 mg's + BL's Trenabol @ 75 mg's
Week 5-9: Blackstone Labs Trenabol @ 90 mg's

PCT will be DAA, ultra male, L dopa for prolactin control, and torem. Diet is completely locked in and clean.

Any ideas, suggestions, or polite criticism appreciated.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

I'd suggest running the SDMZ. If you haven't tried it before... you'll love it. I have 4 days left on my cycle and am floating around +15lbs. Minimal bloat, minimal fat gain, not bad for 4 weeks. I think SDMZ stacked with IML's Halo Ex... or even 1-andro would be awesome for a recomp. I also would suggest not going over 4 - 6 weeks on any of these products, even alternating them as you have laid out above. These methyls are EXTREMELY hard on the liver. I don't see any kind of cycle support up there, GET ONE. It is not an option.
You shouldn't need the L-dopa. I mean if you already have it, no biggy... but don't waste your money if not. AND CLOMID OVER TOREM!

 

[bigtimechief]

You can obviously do whatever you want, but as Captain F'n Planet (lol) said, it's just not a good idea to run orals longer than 6 weeks. Some compounds, like superdrol, shouldn't go over 4 weeks. Brutal on the liver.

Don't try to go for too much on any one cycle. Take your time and be safe. In the end you'll get what you want, but it may just take awhile. At least, that's what i tell myself.

Also, i'm assuming you run cycle support and proper post cycle therapy. Meaning...NO OTC CRAP to take the place of a SERM. But i'm sure you already know this.

 

[bigtimechief]

...I just realized you plan on using Torem. Good stuff. Can we get your stats? Age? thx bro.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Don't try to go for too much on any one cycle. Take your time and be safe. In the end you'll get what you want, but it may just take awhile.

This right here should be in big bold underlined print on every form of AAS. For some reason people tend to forget that naturally you're looking at a 1lb gain of muscle PER MONTH under the most ideal conditions, and end up getting upset when they "only" gained 10lbs in the same amount of time on cycle. This in turn seems to bring about the "well what if I just extend it another couple weeks" mentality. Don't, just don't. K.I.S.S.

 

[Jbergman90]

Gonna try to address everything here..
Just turned 23 last week, 173 lb's, ~13% body fat.
Cycle goal: add around 7 lean pounds and get body fat down to single digits. Or at least 10% (Im hoping the trenabol will help, obviously diet is the determining factor.) So ideally I'd be at 180 and a little leaned AFTER post cycle therapy (pct).

Cycle support is Liv52 (they changed the name, but same formula).

I kept my cycle at 6 weeks total with the stano-drol. Do you guys think 7 weeks would be too long, or should I alter my above set up to just make it a 6 week cycle? I thought I could get away with a longer duration as long as I used Liv52/milk thistle because of the fact that the Trenabol is non-methylated (I think)
So maybe..
Week 1-2 Alpha-1 T @ 60 mg's ED
Week 3 Alpha-1 T @ 60 mg's ED + Trenabol @ 75 mg's ED
Week 4-6 Trenabol @ 90 mg's ED.

Or that cycle + one more week of Trenabol.

I'm also considering using HCGenerate either through the cycle or when I start the Trenabol, because if it's ANYTHING like what I hear real trenbolone is like (and im hoping it is) I could be looking at some major shutdown, which i'd prefer to prevent rather than fix. HCGenerate is just so damn expensive.

Also, someone said Clomid over Torem? Why is that?

 

[CptFKNplanet]

You should be able to add the 7lbs and lean out a bit. I'd say eat a little over maintenance and it would be doable. It really comes down to diet in that department.

Again, I would highly suggest 6 weeks MAX on an oral cycle. Your liver has to process and convert these compounds, it's not like a straight injection. You are correct on the trenabol being non-methylated, but the other products are. All we can do is give advice though... it is your decision on what you want to do.

Also, I believe Alpha T1 is just a test booster... this is the ingredient list I found: Tribulus Terrestris, Testofen TM, 20-Hydroxyecdysterone, Aminogen, Forslean, Milk Thistle, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Eurycoma Longfolia, Horny Goat Weed, Bioperine. That ain't no PH my friend. Run the DMZ!!!!! Lol.

And I said clomid over torem because of personal preference. A lot of folks experience negative sides with clomid, but I haven't.... yet. Torem is a fine product, and probably even better in many cases. I believe it's a "2nd gen" SERM as to clomid being 1st gen.

 

[Jbergman90]

You should be able to add the 7lbs and lean out a bit. I'd say eat a little over maintenance and it would be doable. It really comes down to diet in that department.

Again, I would highly suggest 6 weeks MAX on an oral cycle. Your liver has to process and convert these compounds, it's not like a straight injection. You are correct on the trenabol being non-methylated, but the other products are. All we can do is give advice though... it is your decision on what you want to do.

Also, I believe Alpha T1 is just a test booster... this is the ingredient list I found: Tribulus Terrestris, Testofen TM, 20-Hydroxyecdysterone, Aminogen, Forslean, Milk Thistle, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Eurycoma Longfolia, Horny Goat Weed, Bioperine. That ain't no PH my friend. Run the DMZ!!!!! Lol.

And I said clomid over torem because of personal preference. A lot of folks experience negative sides with clomid, but I haven't.... yet. Torem is a fine product, and probably even better in many cases. I believe it's a "2nd gen" SERM as to clomid being 1st gen.

Duly noted...just to clear one thing up, the A1T I'm talking about can be found here:

blackstonelabs.co/?page_id=282

It's an active steroid that is also a PH to methyl-1-testosterone. I've never had the original M1T so I figured this would be a nice legal alternative. It's also less liver toxic than the poisonous M1T.
Super DMZ looks like an awesome compound too, and I know I respond very well to methylstenbolone (makes me strong as fwuark) and I blow up on dimethazine...so it honestly may come down to a coin flip. Both seem appropriate for the job, though if I use the super DMZ I'm definitely keeping it to 6 weeks total.
Even if I use the Alpha 1 T, i'll probably keep the cycle to 6 weeks because of everyones input. I'll listen to my body, and MAYBE go with an extra week of trenabol (so 7 weeks max).

I'd really like to hear from someone who has run both Alpha 1 test and super DMZ and see what they have to say about both. I'm super the super DMZ is stronger but i'm a bit nervous about running 2 methyls and a non methyl for that long (even 6 weeks). Maybe I could use some Tudca along with Liv52.

 

[gymrat827]

Really man. Don't do a 9 wk ph run.

Your liver will be fuct, your hpta and libido will be tough to get back and you won't gain all that more from a 6wk run.

If ur hell bent on it find some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and tes p to run alongside those ph.

 

[Jbergman90]

Really man. Don't do a 9 wk ph run.

Your liver will be fuct, your hpta and libido will be tough to get back and you won't gain all that more from a 6wk run.

If ur hell bent on it find some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and tes p to run alongside those ph.

After thinking things over I've decided to go with this:

Week 1 BSL's Super DMZ 2.0 @ 2 caps daily
Week 2-4 BSL's Super DMZ 2.0 @ 2 caps daily + BSL's Trenabol @ 75 mg's
Week 5-6 BSL's Trenabol @ 90-105 mg's

Going to do a detailed log of my progress and any sides experienced too. I lift 5-6 times a week when running PH/DS.

For liver support I will preload with Liv52 for two weeks prior to the cycle and through PCT, along with Anteus Labs Aegis on cycle and if there's enough left in one bottle, ill run it through PCT as well.

PCT will include
Torem 120/90/60/30
DAA @ 3 grams daily starting 5 days prior to the end of the cycle
L-Dopa for prolactin control
HCGenerate (if I have enough ill run this on cycle as well) or IML's Ultra Male. Im still deciding if ultra male would be sufficient beings its $20-30 cheaper than HCGenerate.

I also have nolva on hand if needed. I may use lower doses of both Nolva and Torem instead of just Torem.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

That looks MUCH better. I think you're going to be surprised by what these products can do. Have fun

 

[craigs449]

OP, your last cycle looks like the best....6 weeks ending with the tren. While I havent tried the alpha 1 max yet, I am finishing up a 4 week run of Super DMZ 2.0 as i write this. The SDMZ was a good run, but if you are looking for a true mass cycle, I would go the Alpha-1-Max route, or Methadrol Extreme. The SDMZ put on some lean mass and strength increase, but I didnt blow up like I would have on the other compounds.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Make sure you take taurine if you run the DMZ. Back pumps have been a mother fucker for me this cycle. Deads and squats have been horrible lol.

 

[Jbergman90]

Make sure you take taurine if you run the DMZ. Back pumps have been a mother fucker for me this cycle. Deads and squats have been horrible lol.

Ill keep that in mind. I'm using clenbuterol (trim up fat gained on cycle and clen is anabolic for me for about a week) right now as part of post cycle therapy (pct) for the msten I ran so I already have bulk taurine powder.

 

[CptFKNplanet]

Perfect, you will definitely want to use it.