Designing a monster cycle!

[Enthusiast]

I'm looking for suggestions, advice, tips, the usual for designing my upcoming cycle with a massive bulk in mind, I am looking to start this cycle in mid February or somewhere in the beginning of March.

Stats : 5'8 175lbs ~13%bf and in the process of cutting.
My diet and training are all through 3j so I am set in that respect.

It may seem excessive but I was hoping to run something ~20 weeks in length cycling on a few different compounds to allow maximum continual growth.

I have experienced with Test e, eq, var, dbol.
If it makes any difference I am also currently using mt2 to help keep a slightly darker skin tone.

My goals are to add a substantial amount of mass to potentially compete near the end of 2015 or early into 2016.

 

[Bigboss12]

Age? And how many cycles have you ran? Since you have not used tren before that should definitely be in the conversation for the cycle but with a long cycle like that deca would also be a good option. Of course a test base so here would be my thoughts

Test e 500 mg/wk 1-20
Tren e 400 mg/wk 1-18 or 20
Deca 600mg/wk 1-18 or 20
Kick start Dbol or anadrol first 4 weeks
Which ever you do not use for first 4 run week 10-14
Adex .25-.5mg eod
Hcg 500iu a week
NAC and tudca liver support
Will need bloods done through cycle.
Pct 2.5-3 weeks after last injection
Clomid 100/100/50/50/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20/10
I would run pct an extra week considering how long your cycle will be. Hope this is somewhat what you are looking for

 

[Bigboss12]

He asked an opinion. He has ran eq before so he could at least run deca

 

[Bigboss12]

Couldn't he use tren and eq at the same time then? And what is the benefit of anadrol and Dbol at the same time? I've never ran them together?

 

[Buzzbait]

I'm kinda big on simple BIG cycles. NOT BIG FAN of throwing in 45 compounds in a 14-20 week time span. If you want big, kick start your cycle with an oral, and throw TWO injectables in there. My best and biggest cycle was a gram and half of test and gram deca. Got big as fuck. ALSO before flaming starts, I'm 40 and have done more cycles then most kids on here have had pussy

This message is for entertainment only, using AAS at higher dosages can be detrimental to your health.

 

[Matt0071]

U don't need much while u chop
It's not like u are building muscle here u are trying to preserve muscle while u are in a caloric deficit
Myself I blast and cruise and when I chop I always chop on 200mg/week and works fine for me
Your with 3j for dieting so u are in good hands bro!

 

[Buzzbait]

have you ever ran EQ at the gram+ mark? i've been hearing tons of research. (from other bodybuilders and prep coaches - not from medical journals) that EQ reallly really really starts to shine at over 1g

Brother I have ran everything under the sun, except for EQ. That's going to be implemented in a future cycle, BUT have heard GREAT things about the compound ran at higher dosages, higher then the gram you mention. I don't want to get to much into those dosages, because of virgin ears, BUT let's say I've seen it ran extremely high, and you will literally eat EVERYTHING in site. Now this was also ran with a few other compounds that were extremely high also. If you have the mentality of fuck the sides, I will say there is a huge difference in moderate cycles, and extreme ones!!!! 80% of success comes from diet, and gear is only a small portion, but at dosages I've seen, let's say there are exceptions to ALL rules

 

[Matt0071]

Eq is alright but again to get full advantage of Eq it has to be run in high dosages anyways better off sticking with tren as tren works wonder like stated if diet is in check

 

[Matt0071]

Right now blasting test, deca, and tren and loving the ride
No bad sides to speak of but some.may differ from.running 2 19 nors together
Almost up to.my target weight of 230, then will.be chopping from there ofcourse using my.man 3j for dieting

 

[Bigboss12]

eq+test+tren sounds interesting to me i may have to read more that might be a good option for the next cycle. i sent you a pm also.

 

[Bigboss12]

there was a few members including myself who all decided to run that combo... i believe schredder or snowpatrol is one of the others who actually followed thru but i've loved it...

i also ran 4iu of serostim GH and insulin ... but there results without the GH and slin were nothing far from amazing...

my ideal cycle is 2 anabolics and 1 androgen... that is after you are experienced enough to run multiple compounds...

but also simplicty is the key to all of this....

have your diet perfect.. and i dont mean a clean diet where you eat chicken and rice every meal... noone ever fuckin grew to be a bodybuilder on chicken and rice....

if you want to be a bodybuilder eat like a bodybuilder... i'd say 3 relatively clean meals.. chicken / broccoli / rice ,, steak/ potato/ peppers/onions. ... whole grain pasta/ meat sauce and vegies..... but you need those calorie dense meals tooo...

for example.. . i prep 3 meals a day... those 3 are things like a mentioned above.. then i order 2 large pizzas with a good amount of toppings.. and eat those, and have a shake with it ... or .. this bar and grill that is next door to my work we get 50% off everything... so i order a chicken sandwhich with tater tots, and a 1/2 lb burger with tater tots.. and smash that shit... theres a place and time for everything

but those 3 base meals and maybe a shake or 2 until you can really get your appetite going -- that's the base.. where you'd get lets say 120g of lean good healthy proteins.. then the rest from food you enjoy..

it will literally make it sooo much easier to put on size if you have some fun with it bro... eating 6 bland boring ass meals when your bulking is ludacris.... now if your dieting for a show or just trying to decrease body fat... then its time to clean up your diet and go all 6 meals clean... by doing this you can start a cut at wayyy higher caloric level then if you were already eating 6 clean meals a day......

i totally get what your saying I'm for sure going to give some thought to that cycle. it will probably be that next one that i run. will see how much size i can get from it. ill probably make a log for that cycle if i have time.

 

[Enthusiast]

Seems to be a lot of debate about something than can be run successfully because everyone has different experiences.

As a base test e or c will be used, dosage pending further advice.

I rather liked the hunger aspect from EQ so it is a definite consideration but will also need to watch hct while using it.

I find I enjoyed dbol for the sense of well being and the aggression I felt in the gym so I would use that as an oral option.

The strength from var was a nice touch combined with lean gains so I would consider this an option.

What has your experience with adrol been? the only thing that concerns me there is the potential gyno although with a 50mg dose it wouldn't be much to worry about.

 

[Enthusiast]

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My availability or price isn't an issue.

Blood donations and blood work is standard for me.

I was surprised that I felt aggressive on dbol as I hadn't heard of it before, definitely water retention and strength too.
Adrol has been shown in some cases to cause gyno through an unknown mechanism not estro or prog related although rare. Why chance it if I enjoyed dbol.


I was liking the sound of Test eq tren, would orals be suggested in addition to this cycle to kick it off and end it?

Run something like

Test e. 500mg. 1-20
Eq. ???mg. 1-20
Tren. ???mg.

I've run eq at 600, many guys saying far more effective higher doses, should I try 900+?
Tren would be new to me so I would need something like prami or caber. What dosage would be reasonable?

 

[Bigboss12]

My availability or price isn't an issue.

Blood donations and blood work is standard for me.

I was surprised that I felt aggressive on dbol as I hadn't heard of it before, definitely water retention and strength too.
Adrol has been shown in some cases to cause gyno through an unknown mechanism not estro or prog related although rare. Why chance it if I enjoyed dbol.


I was liking the sound of Test eq tren, would orals be suggested in addition to this cycle to kick it off and end it?

Run something like

Test e. 500mg. 1-20
Eq. ???mg. 1-20
Tren. ???mg.

I've run eq at 600, many guys saying far more effective higher doses, should I try 900+?
Tren would be new to me so I would need something like prami or caber. What dosage would be reasonable?

tren since its your first time and you are using longer ester probably tren e at 400mg/wk or you can do tren ace at 400-500mg/wk just in case you have sides it will be out of your system quicker. but you will probably need to inject ace ed

 

[Buzzbait]

DO NOT USE TREN E

eq COULD be dosed up to 900mg easily

tren ace should be dosed at 50mg ed or 100mg eod to start i suppose

test should be kept at 300-500mg

yes you need a DA . either caber or prami...

DONT USE TREN E

Great discussion yesterday brother. Keep killing it. Holler at me anytime

 

[Enthusiast]

Bump, to hear more opinions from the vets

 

[Enthusiast]

bro you got all your gonna get... once a thread is covered by a few "vets", other vets tend to let the thread be

That doesn't mean they all agree with what's been suggested. I've seen plenty of amazing debates between vets where they really hash out what they believe to be the best combined practice.

I'll leave it now, I'm sure if others want to chime in they will.

 

[Enthusiast]

ya they would that's why it doesn't need to be bumped...

we get sick of talking about the same old stuff.. and planning bulking cycles is one of those things...

I'm glad to help with any questions you have via PM if you ever need someone to bounce an idea off of

Sounds good! Thanks for the help bro.

 

[snowpatrol123]

I skimmed the topic and just figured I would throw in my $.02.

If I had to recommend a 'monster' bulking cycle for an intermediate BB (ballpark 5'10, 200lbs, 10%): 1g test/900mg eq per week (or 600-750mg deca) + orals (dbol, drol, sdrol) in and out on a monthly basis...run for about 16-20 weeks.

Calorie surplus should be in the 400-600cal/d range, TDEE recalculated biweekly (with all factors considered...job, new weight, training days, intensity, time etc)

This could potentially net 10-15lbs of LBM over the course of four to six months, for someone who isn't completely 'maxed' out on hormones alone (see above stats/example).

If someone was slightly more advanced, i.e. 5'10, 220 @ 10% and could afford GH (there's a cheaper alternative with DNP but not going to get into that) the next step in my books would be slightly higher test and insulin.

1.2-1.5g test/900-1200mg eq per week (and orals in/out) along with a sensible GH + insulin protocol...many threads discussing that already I won't get into it here.