Duration of oral use in a cycle

[var4me]

I know that its not recommended to take any oral for longer than 8 weeks but some are better suited to running a little longer, such as Anavar.

What I am wondering is, do people include the PCT in this 8 weeks oral rule? Its just something that popped into my head today. If I run Anavar the last 7 weeks of my cycle, then start PCT 2 or 3 weeks later. That would be 7 weeks, 2-3 week break and then another 4-6 weeks of PCT.

Is this advisable? How would this affect lipid profiles and such? Just trying to do a cost/benefit type thing in my head, lol.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

well i would bridge the Anavar (var) so you dont have to wait 2-3 weeks after discontinuing the Anavar (var) to start post cycle therapy (pct). run the Anavar (var) right up til a couple days before pct.

 

[DADAWG]

oral steroids are rougher than pct compounds , dont count them in your total weeks count

 

[var4me]

I see what you mean there, run the Anavar (var) for the last 5 weeks of cycle and 2-3 weeks after leading into the post cycle therapy (pct). This would be 12 weeks for orals in total including post cycle therapy (pct). I am just wondering if this is a good idea or a bad one as far as liver issues, lipids etc.

 

[var4me]

oral steroids are rougher than pct compounds , dont count them in your total weeks count

OK, thanks, that clears up a lot for me.

 

[DADAWG]

I see what you mean there, run the Anavar (var) for the last 5 weeks of cycle and 2-3 weeks after leading into the post cycle therapy (pct). This would be 12 weeks for orals in total including post cycle therapy (pct). I am just wondering if this is a good idea or a bad one as far as liver issues, lipids etc.

12 weeks is to long . 8 max even for Anavar (var) IMO.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

im idiot today-post erased.

 

[var4me]

Yes, that 12 weeks was 7 for Anavar (var) immediately followed by 4-6 weeks for PCT (with Just Nolva for now but I may do Clomid as well.)

 

[Liftbig11]

I wouldnt split it I would run it 8 Weeks through and 8 weeks is pushing it with some orals.

 

[var4me]

OK, I think there is some confusion here. I have 7 weeks worth of Anavar (var) at 40mgs/day. I want to do it all at once because I have heard people say you wont really reap the rewards till about week 4-6. I am planning on running it for the last 7 weeks of the cycle to harden everything up and to take advantage of the synergy of test E and Anavar (var) working together rather than running it at the beginning as a kick start.

My worry was a that finishing up the last 7 weeks with it and then starting PCT a few weeks later would be a lot of orals.

 

[workoutfreak078]

They say not to run orals for too long because it can really effect your liver. On my next cycle, I am running Tbol for the first 7 weeks and Anavar for the last 8 weeks, so that is 15 straight weeks of orals. I am not sure how that is going to effect me, but whatever. Those are mild on the liver so it won't be too harsh.

To Newbie: some people like to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after their cycle so bridging your orals until you start your SERM isn't always advisable.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i know i just realized what you meant-i thought you were asking about running it begin and end of cycle-

def stop the Anavar (var) before pct-8 weeks is def long enough-i say no more than 6 on the harsher orals.

 

[var4me]

I know but stopping the 7 weeks of Anavar (var) and then starting nolva and maybe clomid 2-3 weeks later for another 4-6 week duration of orals is what has me concerned. Is running it at the end worth it if the PCT is orals too or should I just suck it up and run the Anavar (var) for the first 7 weeks so I have about a 10 week break from orals till I start the PCT?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

They say not to run orals for too long because it can really effect your liver. On my next cycle, I am running Tbol for the first 7 weeks and Ana Anavar (var) for the last 8 weeks, so that is 15 straight weeks of orals. I am not sure how that is going to effect me, but whatever. Those are mild on the liver so it won't be too harsh.

To Newbie: some people like to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after their cycle so bridging your orals until you start your SERM isn't always advisable.

good point

although i dont see the difference

HCG=artificial production of test-so i see no reason why the Anavar (var) would get in the way of hcg. its not very suppresive-and when guys run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle-with some very suppressive stuff it does not get in the way either.

HCG does not get your natty test flowing-clomid and nolva does

HCG actually is suppressive to natty test.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

VAR is one of the lightest on the liver-i see no prob running it right up until PCT-

 

[workoutfreak078]

good point

although i dont see the difference

HCG=artificial production of test-so i see no reason why the Anavar (var) would get in the way of hcg. its not very suppresive-and when guys run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle-with some very suppressive stuff it does not get in the way either.

HCG does not get your natty test flowing-clomid and nolva does

HCG actually is suppressive to natty test.

Yeah, good point. But if you were to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after your cycle, you are going to need all of the help you can get to fully recover and it wouldn't be a good idea to take anything that can prevent it, no matter how mild. That's just my opinion.

To be honest, if you think bridging Anavar (var) while taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a good idea, I sure as hell am going to do that this cycle so I atleast have a break between my Tbol and Ana Anavar (var) orals.

 

[Biggin]

12 weeks is to long . 8 max even for Anavar (var) IMO.

8 weeks max with the Anavar (var) . Wait 2-3 weeks till post cycle therapy (pct). Ur liver will be fine, U going close too 3 weeks with no orals. Liv52 is a recommended necessity while taking any oral, it definitely helps, hint,hint??

 

[workoutfreak078]

8 weeks max with the Var. Wait 2-3 weeks till post cycle therapy (pct). Ur liver will be fine, U going close too 3 weeks with no orals. Liv52 is a recommended necessity while taking any oral, it definitely helps, hint,hint??

Do you think Liv52 hinders gains at all? Or was that just Milk Thistle?

 

[var4me]

Thanks Biggin, the Liv52 is definitely on the shopping list.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Yeah, good point. But if you were to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after your cycle, you are going to need all of the help you can get to fully recover and it wouldn't be a good idea to take anything that can prevent it, no matter how mild. That's just my opinion.

To be honest, if you think bridging Anavar (var) while taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is a good idea, I sure as hell am going to do that this cycle so I atleast have a break between my Tbol and Ana Anavar (var) orals.

its been a while since i studied Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but i think this is how i remember it

HCG just mimics LH and FSH.

when we talk about suppressive i believe we are suppressing LH and FSH.

so either Anavar (var) or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) we are suppressing LH and FSH.

this is why Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) needs to be stopped 4 days before post cycle therapy (pct). so that clomid or nolva can get LH and FSH going again.

all Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) does is plump the lads so that when LH FSH start flowing again-balls have been producing test-although artificially-so the switch from the fake LH and FSH to the real that your body produces goes much more smoothly and faster.

i know this is simple way of looking at it- but its how i understand it.