During cycle ???

[workinhard2achieve]

I am going to start a 12 week cycle of TestE; 500mg/week and var 50mgED 8 weeks. My first cycle ever.

First question: should I run the var/test together for the first 8 weeks of the cycle or start the test only for 4 weeks,
then run the var/test together for the last 8 weeks?

Second question: do I really need to run aromasin for the cycle as long as my PCT is good? I really don't want to use aromasin for various reason, and if my PCT is good do I really even need it? I mean NEED it, of course one could say, "you should do it" but is it REALLY necessary?

Last question: Do I need BOTH nolv and clomid for PCT or can I pick one or the other? and what are the dosages for them. I know I would have to wait 2 weeks after my last pin of test to start, but not sure exact dosages and time frame.

Thanks in advance for the help!

 

[buffg]

WEll have no experience with var so cant answer first question

2) The only way to tell if you REALLY need it would be to get blood work done. Most guys (like myself) run it as a precaution.

3) theres a pretty good existing thread on this on ology have a read here:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/595773-pct-nolva-clomid-both.html

 

[workinhard2achieve]

Thank you for the response. What type of blood work would I need to know if I should use the aromasin?

I actually have a Drs. Appt tomorrow because I want a full work-up and physical before I start my cycle anyway.

 

[workinhard2achieve]

With the Anavar (var), the way I look at it is this.

If I run it for the first 8 weeks it will help to kick-start my cycle since the test takes a couple weeks to kick in anyway. However with this approach I will be done with the var 4 weels before my test, so when my cycle is over I won't have the best results. If I start the test for 4 weeks, then start running the var and finish them together I will have maximum results when my cycle is over, however it will be slow-starting because the test takes so long to kick in. Not sure which way to go, im thinking probably to start with the var and test, because the results from var are mostly able to be kept with proper PCT I have heard.

 

[Dmass20]

I agree with Buffg. I think most run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) just to be safe. But like he said you need bloodwork to know for sure if that's ok with you. It depends on the person and as for the var. I also don't have experience with it but if it was my cycle I would run it the last 8 weeks.

 

[workinhard2achieve]

Thank you for the reply. What type of blood work? What would I be looking for to determine if I would need an ai?

 

[buffg]

A blood test would give you numbers for free and total testosterone and measure estrogen as estradiol.


Here i coppied this from another forum, easier than writing a new paragraph on it:

Estrogen (measured as estradiol) should be in the mid- to lower-normal range. If estradiol levels are in the upper one-third of the normal reference range, or above the normal reference range, this excessive level of estrogen should be reduced. Labcorp lists a reference range of between 3-70 picogram/mL for estradiol while Quest states a reference range of between 10-50. For optimal health, estradiol should be in the range of 10-30 picogram/mL for a man of any age.

Link: http://forums.steroid.com/showthrea...d-Total-Testosterone-Blood-Tests#.UPbKr3XoS-Y

 

[bigkit34]

what are your goals from this cycle and what are your current stats(bf%,ht,wt,age)?

 

[workinhard2achieve]

I am 32 yrs old, 6'4, 256lbs currently. Probably around 12 or 13% BF. I have a blurred 6 pack but not a ripped one. Been lifting for about 10 years, off and on, mostly on. Took some time off for injuries and a small painkiller problem due to surgeries. I don't work out to get big and throw sand at the beach, or to intimidate people, I like to push my body to its limits and see how I can change it. Also I train as much for the mental aspect of it as the aesthetics.
My goal(s) are to become bigger and stronger, while also trying to stay as lean as possible. I understand the importance of diet, and mine is pretty good, although I don't have the money to spend $100-$150/week on food, I make it work. Most of my protein from eggs, chicken, and cottage cheese. I train hard and I train consistently. Any help would be appreciated as I keep an open mind to all advice/suggestions.

 

[dj2dirk41]

I am taking the exact same cycle. I'm guessing you want to use it to put on mass but also stay lean. If that's the case then your going to want to run the var at the end so run the test week 1-12 and var week 6-14. And start post cycle therapy (pct) day after your last var. this should get you shredded as fuck and looking huge. Good luck

 

[workinhard2achieve]

Awesome man thanks! Yeah I was thinking that too, the best thing would be to start the test only for the first 4 weeks then run them together weeks 4-12.
I have decided not to go with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), so I guess ill rolling the dice with that one. Just have to wait and see I guess. If worse comes to worse I will have to get some.
So if I start my post cycle therapy (pct) right after the last does of Anavar (var), I still have to run it longer because the test takes so long to exit the system correct?

 

[buffg]

I am 32 yrs old, 6'4, 256lbs currently. Probably around 12 or 13% BF. I have a blurred 6 pack but not a ripped one. Been lifting for about 10 years, off and on, mostly on. Took some time off for injuries and a small painkiller problem due to surgeries. I don't work out to get big and throw sand at the beach, or to intimidate people, I like to push my body to its limits and see how I can change it. Also I train as much for the mental aspect of it as the aesthetics.
My goal(s) are to become bigger and stronger, while also trying to stay as lean as possible. I understand the importance of diet, and mine is pretty good, although I don't have the money to spend $100-$150/week on food, I make it work. Most of my protein from eggs, chicken, and cottage cheese. I train hard and I train consistently. Any help would be appreciated as I keep an open mind to all advice/suggestions.

If youre looking for diet advice, then you cant do much better than 3J...

 

[dj2dirk41]

No you run the var till week 14 you stop the test at 12. This is because you need to wait 2 weeks after last injection to start post cycle therapy (pct) but var you do not so for the last 2 weeks you will only be taking the var no test and then post cycle therapy (pct). don't stop them at the same time it will work better this way

 

[workinhard2achieve]

Ok got it. So the total cycle will be 14 weeks looks like this:

1-12 test(12 weeks total)
7-14 var(8 weeks total)

PCT starting after week 14.

 

[workinhard2achieve]

@buffg-Whats 3J? I use these as main sources or protein bc they are cheap and easy to prepare lol...

 

[bigkit34]

agree with what dj said above. do u know what ur doing for post cycle therapy (pct) yet?

 

[dj2dirk41]

Yea you got it and I hope you have nolva clomid but at least clomid

 

[workinhard2achieve]

I will use clomid I guess. 50/50/50/50 what does that mean though? It was something that suggested to me. Does that mean 50mg/week for 4 weeks? ED?

 

[Iron Giant]

I will use clomid I guess. 50/50/50/50 what does that mean though? It was something that suggested to me. Does that mean 50mg/week for 4 weeks? ED?

50mg every day for 4 weeks. If you're running a clomid only post cycle therapy (pct) I would do 100/100/50/50 though. Cheers.

 

[buffg]

@buffg-Whats 3J? I use these as main sources or protein bc they are cheap and easy to prepare lol...

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