Hi guys, im 21' 5,8 170 i ran a 8 week cycle of sust and deca 1ml of each for 8 weeks. Started post cycle therapy (pct) 3 weeks after last pin and started to notice 2nd week in my libido had really dropped and i cant get a proper erection. I havnt had morning wood for 2 weeks now aswell. I did post cycle therapy (pct) for 30 days just ended it. I ran Clomid at 50mg ed. Nolvadex at 40mg ed first week, 20mg last 3 weeks. Will i recover from this? Whats the usual recovery timescale? THis is really stressing me out. I will get blood work done in 2 weeks to see where i am. Any feedback will be really appreciated.
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halfwit
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I'd get a private blood test and see what's going on. Recovery can take much longer than 30 days after post cycle therapy (pct) by the way. 19-nors are pretty suppressive, and you likely didn't run a dopamine agonist, so your prolactin (and probably estrogen) are sky high while your testosterone is likely rock bottom low. Sure, you can ride it out and maybe recover, but I'd definitely get that test and know for sure what's going on first.
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halfwit
I like turtles.
I'd personally get a private test from somewhere like privatemdlabs.com as it is cheap (50 bucks with a coupon you can google) and the results are confidential. ONLY you will know what they are and that can avoid having to answer some questions you really don't want to discuss with your doctor. I normally tell folks to get the "menopause panel" which is for women, but works for men as well - although you probably want to look at your thyroid levels as well as prolactin. Those are extra, but definitely worth it. If you go with the female panel, be sure to select MALE at the end, so you get the appropriate ranges.
I haven't had that issue as I was shut down (TRT patient) long before I started AAS, so I have never had to endure through PCT. I have however had issues with prolactin before I knew about dopamine agonists like prami/caber. There's a lot to learn before you start manipulating your hormones; it's definitely in your best interests to read up before you venture into them again next time.
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I'd get a private blood test and see what's going on. Recovery can take much longer than 30 days after post cycle therapy (pct) by the way. 19-nors are pretty suppressive, and you likely didn't run a dopamine agonist, so your prolactin (and probably estrogen) are sky high while your testosterone is likely rock bottom low. Sure, you can ride it out and maybe recover, but I'd definitely get that test and know for sure what's going on first.
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Halfwit,
As a learning tool can you talk about what dopamine agonists are out there to run, which is the best one (if there are various choices), how much you would take, and the schedule you'd take the dopamine agonist throughout the cycle? I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
halfwit
I like turtles.
Keeping what 3J mentioned in mind (he does bring up a VERY good point that I somehow missed), I can give you a quick and dirty version.
Dopamine agonists are a class of chemicals that trigger your brain to release dopamine. As it has been demonstrated that prolactin has an inverse relationship with dopamine (a feel good hormone/reward stimulus), this sudden increase of dopamine will cause your pituitary gland to cease or drastically lower its production of the hormone. There are several anti-depressants in fact that utilize this very same pathway to help folks suffering from depression feel better, which is why some even note a feeling of well-being while on some DA's.
Common dopamine agonists would be cabergoline and pramipexole. Caber (for short) is often sought as it does tend to have less of an ability to make folks nauseous, but it is also much harder to procure as it is not stable in liquid form - which many research chem companies are only able to offer for legal reasons. Many folks often take .25 to .5mg of caber E3.5D (2x a week) and see positive results. As prolactin can rebound, it should be continued even after cessation of a progestin (19-nor), or deca in this case for another week or two.
Pramipexole, or prami for short is far more commonly found as it is stable in liquid form, but it does have the propensity to make you feel ill or nauseous. My personal experience as well as a few others has been to take it right before bed (DA's can make you sleepy after ingestion) with a light protein snack such as greek yogurt or casein. 2rude4u (a member here) has even found that prami may elevate natural growth hormone levels by up to 300%, which sounds like a bonus to me. Prami is often dosed at .25mg EOD for a week and then increased once a slight tolerance has built up to either .25mg ED or .5mg EOD. If problems with prolactin are still evident at this dose, it may be increased to .5mg ED or 1mg EOD. I have yet to see many studies indicating any negatives associated with dropping prolactin levels too low in men, but I feel caution should still be observed when increasing a dose.
Other notable side effects of DA's include: A shortened refractory period (being able to have sex again shortly after climax), a feeling of well-being, slight appetite changes (I tend to get hungrier personally), and of course getting sleepy shortly after ingestion. It should be mentioned that while dopamine is a naturally occurring hormone in the human body, it is potentially habit-forming. As such, I would limit exposure to prami/caber for times when needed ONLY; such as during times of 19-nor usage.
My .02c
Keeping what 3J mentioned in mind (he does bring up a VERY good point that I somehow missed), I can give you a quick and dirty version.
Dopamine agonists are a class of chemicals that trigger your brain to release dopamine. As it has been demonstrated that prolactin has an inverse relationship with dopamine (a feel good hormone/reward stimulus), this sudden increase of dopamine will cause your pituitary gland to cease or drastically lower its production of the hormone. There are several anti-depressants in fact that utilize this very same pathway to help folks suffering from depression feel better, which is why some even note a feeling of well-being while on some DA's.
Common dopamine agonists would be cabergoline and pramipexole. Caber (for short) is often sought as it does tend to have less of an ability to make folks nauseous, but it is also much harder to procure as it is not stable in liquid form - which many research chem companies are only able to offer for legal reasons. Many folks often take .25 to .5mg of caber E3.5D (2x a week) and see positive results. As prolactin can rebound, it should be continued even after cessation of a progestin (19-nor), or deca in this case for another week or two.
Pramipexole, or prami for short is far more commonly found as it is stable in liquid form, but it does have the propensity to make you feel ill or nauseous. My personal experience as well as a few others has been to take it right before bed (DA's can make you sleepy after ingestion) with a light protein snack such as greek yogurt or casein. 2rude4u (a member here) has even found that prami may elevate natural growth hormone levels by up to 300%, which sounds like a bonus to me. Prami is often dosed at .25mg EOD for a week and then increased once a slight tolerance has built up to either .25mg ED or .5mg EOD. If problems with prolactin are still evident at this dose, it may be increased to .5mg ED or 1mg EOD. I have yet to see many studies indicating any negatives associated with dropping prolactin levels too low in men, but I feel caution should still be observed when increasing a dose.
Other notable side effects of DA's include: A shortened refractory period (being able to have sex again shortly after climax), a feeling of well-being, slight appetite changes (I tend to get hungrier personally), and of course getting sleepy shortly after ingestion. It should be mentioned that while dopamine is a naturally occurring hormone in the human body, it is potentially habit-forming. As such, I would limit exposure to prami/caber for times when needed ONLY; such as during times of 19-nor usage.
My .02c
Haflwit, are you saying if you have high prolactin from using deca or tren on cycle shown via BW that you wont get as much dopamine being produced hence why you don't feel as great?
Lowering prolactin will then bring dopamine back?
Young gun! How did it go?
"Oral L-citrulline supplementation improves erection hardness in men with mild erectile dysfunction"
Oral L-citrulline supplementation improves erection ... [Urology. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
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