First cutting cycle with HGH

[steve23]

I have read so many mixed opinions on how much HGH to run. I am about to start my next cutting cycle. Currently sitting at 240 lbs, 15 % BF, 6'1". I have never run HGH but have run quite a few cycles of test,eq,deca,tren,etc. my main goal is to get into single digit BF as quick as possible. I plan on running GH for a year along with test. I would like to know everyone's opinion on how much and how often?

 

[Gainjin260]

Are you running pharma or generic? I started with 3iu of pharma and now on 6iu godtropin. Feels about the same. Theories vary in terms of when to pin. Some say all at once before bed, some say split (if running high enough dose) morning and early afternoon. I pin 3iu upon waking and 3iu preworkout/early afternoon.

I've pinned before bed and noticed deeper sleep, but the body produces its own gh shortly after first REM cycle and exogenous gh suppresses that, thus I generally do not pin at night.

This is my 3rd month on and I've seen the most of the physical effects in the last month or so. Well being, sleep and carpel start pretty soon after first week.

There are certainly faster ways to lose bf. I personally don't want to mess around with t3 or clen and since this ain't a race I'm happy with the body comp changing slowly but surely. I've seen claims that while, on gh it's impossible to gain bf. When I get to 10% me, pizza, donuts and ice cream will put that to the test. But for now I'll have fish and veggies.

 

[steve23]

Sorry posted twice

 

[steve23]

Thanks for the input GaijinJapan. I have a total of 10 kits. 5 kigtropin and 5 jintropin. I had never even thought about the use of t3 with it. I have used t3 many times in the past and love the stuff. Should i run it? This is kind of a race for me lol. I have a fight september 10th and I need to make weight. Are there any other recomendations on what I should run with GH to maximize benifits?

 

[Gainjin260]

Not t3 but t4. 50-100 mg a day. Something about the conversion of t4 to t3 balances out/enhances what the GH does to the thyroid. I've just found this info out myself and will be starting t4 in the coming weeks.

I've never run insulin, but that is supposedly awesome to run with GH. However, that would lead to serious LM weight gain, and I assume you need to cut weight for the fight.

You can run as many iu's as you can stand the carpel sides. Start with 3 iu then work your way up +1iu/week. Right now my grip strength suffers during deads because of the GH but I just use straps.

Good luck.

 

[steve23]

Thanks again brotha. I read about the t4 thing too a bit after you mentioned t3. Do I run t4 the whole time or should I cycle off?

 

[Gainjin260]

Doesn't seem like you cycle it. I don't know how to post links, but on the 3rd page in the main forum is a thread titled "t4 while in hgh necessary?" Good info there.

 

[steve23]

Thanks again bro. Good read. I will have to order me some t4. I expected a lot more responses to all this but I guess nobody else knows anything about GH. Lol. I guess that is to be expected as every time I read about it, everyone has a different opinion on what is the best way to run it. I have now been using the GH for 2 days. I will have to keep reading up on how to optimize my cycle. I have never needed to loose so much weight so fast but I took this fight unexpectedly. I have even begun to do 2 sessions of cardio instead of 1 a day along with lifting, BJJ, Muay Thai, and Boxing. I still eat very clean everyday and have regular check ins with my nutritionist. If anyone has any other pointers or suggestions for me I would really appreciate it.

 

[Gainjin260]

I'm assuming people aren't chiming in because I've covered the basics. That being said I'm not an expert so, I too, hope some others will reply.

Rapid weight loss in not really GH's forte. If you do have some time til the fight- how much weight do you need to cut? The real benefit in cutting with GH is complete sparing of your LMB. This is done over much longer time than clen or t3. It's also way more expensive, but seems as that's not a problem considering you've got 10 kits in hand

Anybody else have an opinion?

 

[Onk]

I'm assuming people aren't chiming in because I've covered the basics. That being said I'm not an expert so, I too, hope some others will reply.

Rapid weight loss in not really GH's forte. If you do have some time til the fight- how much weight do you need to cut? The real benefit in cutting with GH is complete sparing of your LMB. This is done over much longer time than clen or t3. It's also way more expensive, but seems as that's not a problem considering you've got 10 kits in hand

Anybody else have an opinion?

His original question was pretty poor but the short answer is really "as much as you can afford whilst hitting your targets/goals". As you don't NEED HGH to cut it's almost as like asking how long a piece of string is. I don't use HGH and don't hit more than 10-12% bf year round so I'm not the best at understanding people's issues with discipline and dieting.

As for timing, there are a lot of theories as you said, however, most are junk and not backed by science. As OP hasn't yet stated how much he thinks he'll need to run, or if testing to determine, how much he started on, it is impossible to say what his pinning schedule would be.

Otherwise, you answered everything despite the lack of information you could work with.

 

[Gainjin260]

Two things to add.

No carbs 1 hour pre and post injection. GH and insulin effect each other.

Rotate injection sites. You'll notice fat is greater reduced where injected and if you inject in the same spot each time you'll look funny.

 

[steve23]

Thanks guys. And you are right Onk. My question was poor. To be honest I wasn't exactly sure what I was asking. I've been cycling for years but have always been intimidated by GH. People tell me all kinds of horror stories of unwanted growth and enlarged hearts and HGH gut. I guess really I was just looking for some over input and any advise about it I could get. To answer your question, I started at 2 IUS a day and will be bumping up to whatever I need or feel comfortable with. Also, I need to drop an average of 2 lbs a week in order to make weight. More if possible so I'm a bit more comfortable and can actually eat good the day before the fight.

 

[Onk]

Thanks guys. And you are right Onk. My question was poor. To be honest I wasn't exactly sure what I was asking. I've been cycling for years but have always been intimidated by GH. People tell me all kinds of horror stories of unwanted growth and enlarged hearts and HGH gut. I guess really I was just looking for some over input and any advise about it I could get. To answer your question, I started at 2 IUS a day and will be bumping up to whatever I need or feel comfortable with. Also, I need to drop an average of 2 lbs a week in order to make weight. More if possible so I'm a bit more comfortable and can actually eat good the day before the fight.

2lbs a week is very do-able and is about the right level without having to lose weight recklessly. I try to lose 2lbs a week when prepping for a show. Just remember that as you lose weight your TDEE will be changing and therefore you need to reduce calories to create a deficit to your new TDEE.

2ius a week and upping, good place to start. One dose and myself I'd do it either first thing in the morning (as that's when I work out) or at an otherwise convenient time.

 

[steve23]

Thanks Onk. Both of you have been very helpful. Wish me luck! by the way, If that is you in your profile pic onk, You look awesome man!