First cycle - dbol and test e

[jfontenot]

I am 5'10" 210lbs 28 yrs old. planning on doing a cycle of dbol and test e. Want to do 12 wk cycle, or at least 10. Can you guys give me a little guidance here? Ive been doing alot of research, but still need some help figuring out how many weeks to run test e, and how many weeks to run dbol. Also, how much of each should I be taking daily/weekly? Would really appreciate some input.

 

[jfontenot]

Also how much aromasin should I take ED?

 

[tbonexl]

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[traps09]

Very basic questions. Don't forget your diet.

 

[tbonexl]

A little research would answer your questions.. it would take me more time to type a cycle layout for u then it would for u to research it.

 

[fitguy22]

do test E 500mg/week , dbol 40mg a day is what most people recommend so do that for 4 weeks or Max 6 weeks as its toxic to liver. are you doing any pct?

 

[tbonexl]

do test E 500mg/week , dbol 40mg a day is what most people recommend so do that for 4 weeks or Max 6 weeks as its toxic to liver. are you doing any pct?

Why didn't u mention anything about an ai?

 

[fitguy22]

Why didn't u mention anything about an ai?

sorryyy!!!!! well cuz i don't wanna give him advice on something I'm not sure myself. I'm taking AI 12.5 EOD.

 

[tbonexl]

U running Aromasin? Should be on that every day..

 

[fitguy22]

oh ok.thanks. you just helped 2 guys with their cycle

 

[tbonexl]

U should know that before starting a cycle. Plenty of info here for everybody. I don't know much but I read...

 

[oprahwinstrol]

First cycle just one compound mate. Usually just run the test to gauge reaction bro.

 

[snowpatrol123]

I don't think test + dbol is too much for a first cycle. But as was mentioned you'll want to at least have an AI in your possession (usually arimidex or aromasin) and possibly use it preventatively.

Do you have any PCT planned out yet? That's even more important than your cycle, IMO.

 

[jfontenot]

Theres seems to be a heel of a lot of different opinions and info on AI during cycle and AI and SERM PCT, but heres what I have basically concluded. Im planning on running Aromasin 5mg ED on cycle for 12 weeks up to PCT. Then run aromasin 20mg ED, maybe EOD, for 4 weeks, along with Nolva 20mg ED for 4-6weeks. Also, run HCG the last 2 weeks of my cycle, and for another 2 weeks up to PCT. Now my biggest questions are on the amount of Aromasin to take on cycle, and the amount and frequency on PCT. The info and opinions on this varies drastically. Some say 25mg ED on cycle, some say 5mg ED, same with PCT. The reasoning and info behind alot of these opinions makes sense, but doesnt help me know what would be the more suggestable dosing. Im sure it varies from person to person, but any thoughts or opinions on what I should try first?

 

[jfontenot]

heres the diet plan im going to try out


meal 1
***8226; PRO. SHK. 2 SCP.
***8226; OATMEAL
***8226; BANANA
***8226; 3 EGGS
***8226; MILK

meal 2

***8226; YOGURT
***8226; GRANOLA
***8226; PEANUT BTTR.
***8226; WHEAT BREAD

meal 3

***8226; CHKN./TRKY./TUNA
***8226; VEGGIES
***8226; BROWN RICE
***8226; PRO. SHK. 2 SCP.

meal 4

***8226; COTTAGE CHEESE
***8226; AVOCADO
***8226; NUTS

meal 5

***8226; VEGGIES
***8226; FRUIT
***8226; BEANS

meal 6

***8226; SALAD
***8226; MEAT
***8226; POTATO/SWEET POTATO
***8226; PRO. SHK. 2 SCP.

 

[Sergej]

You should take 12.5 mg aromasin ED during cycle and leading up to your pct. Do not use aromasin for pct. Use clomid nolva combo for pct. After your cycle wait 2-3 weeks before starting pct. You need more research before you start this cycle.

 

[snowpatrol123]

12.5mg aromasin ED is a good starting point during the cycle. Recommended PCT around these parts is (weekly) nolva 40/40/40/40 and clomid 50/50/25/25 if I recall correctly (so twenty eight days total, starting fifteen to twenty days after your last test injection) You can run the HCG throughout the cycle at 250iu twice per week, or "blast" it @ 250-500iu ED during the lag time after your last test pin, stopping before your start your PCT drugs.

Ideally you should get bloodwork done five to six weeks into the cycle to check your hormone levels - it'll verify your test is legit, and tell you where your estrogen is sitting (high / low) so you can adjust the AI dose from there.

 

[jfontenot]

-Alright. Thanks snow patrol. That seems like a good plan to me. What about Arimidex instead of Aromasin? Im only asking because ive read that alot of people experienced libido issues with aromasin, and alot of people have experienced positive effects on the libido with Arimidex. I realize that with any AI, if you use too much or too little, E too high or too low, you can experience libido issues. Ive ran cycles of prohormones, and always had issues with that, so I just want to make sure i do this AAS cycle as good as possible. I also got some viagras and cialis on hand if any issues come up.

So for PCT, NOLVA and Clomid would be the best choice? Also what are all your opinions on Arimidex vs Aromasin on cycle?

 

[snowpatrol123]

-Alright. Thanks snow patrol. That seems like a good plan to me. What about Arimidex instead of Aromasin? Im only asking because ive read that alot of people experienced libido issues with aromasin, and alot of people have experienced positive effects on the libido with Arimidex. I realize that with any AI, if you use too much or too little, E too high or too low, you can experience libido issues. Ive ran cycles of prohormones, and always had issues with that, so I just want to make sure i do this AAS cycle as good as possible. I also got some viagras and cialis on hand if any issues come up.

So for PCT, NOLVA and Clomid would be the best choice? Also what are all your opinions on Arimidex vs Aromasin on cycle?

Libido issues from AI usage are due to high or low estrogen, not the particular AI being used IMO.

I personally use arimidex on cycle, it's cheaper and I have more experience dosing it. Aromasin is potentially a "better" AI due to it's suicidal inhibition, though.

I have aromasin, as well, that I dose very lightly during the first few weeks of my PCT, less than 10mg ED.

As for the best choice for PCT, I can tell you that in the past my PCT was (weekly) nolva 40/40/40/40 and clomid 100/75/50/25 but I found that I wanted to cry during sad commercials, likely due to the high clomid dose.

I'll be running nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 50/50/25/25 this time.

 

[jfontenot]

Ok. So if i feel i need to adjust the dosing during pct, how do i know whether to adjust the dose of the clomid or the nolva? or both? Like if the nolva "40/40/40/40 and clomid 100/75/50/25 " is too much, how will i know which dose to change? or should i just try dropping it to "40/40/20/20 and clomid 50/50/25/25" like how you are going to run it?