First cycle goals and compounds

[Joenama6943]

im a bit confused why test only is always the first cycle suggested to everyone wanting to try AAS. What if your goals do not match up with what test will do for you? If you have built up a solid enough base and have done your research what is the harm in running the first cycle that you want to run? If you start to react negatively why couldn't you just drop back to test only and finish out the run of your cycle?

It really all just seems like a waste of time to me as long as the user has been training for a while and has done the proper research.

 

[Megatron28]

There is a learning process that one should go through. Since testosterone is the foundation of every cycle for a male it makes sense that it is what you run first. When you introduce more than one compound there are a lot more variables that are harder to manage and it makes diagnosing problems more difficult.

Do you start flying an F16 or do you learn in a simple trainer plane first? And work your way up to the F16?

But just curiously, what cycle would you want to run? What are your goals and why do you think a Test-only cycle would not help you achieve it with a good diet, good training and sufficient sleep?

 

[leocrossfit]

I can't say I'm an expert because I'm not. I will be starting my first cycle in January and it will be test only. The reason why is because testosterone is the king hormone. The other steroids are increasing testosterone in one way or another so if you are going to start, you are better off starting with the main hormone responsible for what we are trying to achieve. If something goes wrong, then we know it was testosterone. If you are on multiple steroids, then how are you going to know which one it was? Starting off with just one steroid will take the guess work out of it in in case something goes wrong. Also, the first cycle we do is most likely going to be the best that we ever do so if we do just one hormone like testosterone, we will get results that we may never get again. Then when it comes to the second or third cycles, we can add other steroids to match what we did on our first cycle with just a single steroid.

Like I said, I'm not an expert so the real experts like megatron, t-bone, halfwit, etc...they can better explain why it is best to take just testosterone for your first cycle. They know way more than I do so I'm taking their advice and just using test cypionate in January for 12 weeks. Ultimately, the decision is up to you.

 

[Joenama6943]

I was considering running test e with tren ace and a halo kickstart. To me, a lot of the before and after pictures of users 1st cycle of test look just like bloated bigger versions of where they started with slightly more definition. I am more interested in obtaining the super cut dry look that I see many physique competitors having while at the same time increasing my strength (not that I am weak right now).

 

[tbonexl]

Thats a crazy first cycle you're planning... How old are you?

 

[halfwit]

I was considering running test e with tren ace and a halo kickstart. To me, a lot of the before and after pictures of users 1st cycle of test look just like bloated bigger versions of where they started with slightly more definition. I am more interested in obtaining the super cut dry look that I see many physique competitors having while at the same time increasing my strength (not that I am weak right now).

That's more of a function of diet and training than the compounds. Everyone looks dry and hard at super low body fat. Bloat from testosterone isn't the hormone's fault - it's the guys that don't use an AI giving such an impression.

Tren will bend you over, have her way with you, and leave you there wondering WTF just happened. There are very few guys that can pull that off as a first time cycle - and the odds are not in your favor at all.

Especially when adding in halo.

Learn how to walk (or fly in Tron's example) before you run. This has been the experience of many folks over the years for a very good reason.

My .02c

 

[Joenama6943]

Would be 24 when I ran the proposed cycle. Also I noticed test lowers collagen synthesis. Would running eq alongside the test cancel out this issue? And also be pretty mild to run with the test as a first cycle?

 

[Megatron28]

Would be 24 when I ran the proposed cycle. Also I noticed test lowers collagen synthesis. Would running eq alongside the test cancel out this issue? And also be pretty mild to run with the test as a first cycle?

I wouldn't worry about it for a 12 week cycle. Not a material concern.

And wait until you are 25. You endocrine system / HPTA are still developing.

 

[halfwit]

Would be 24 when I ran the proposed cycle. Also I noticed test lowers collagen synthesis. Would running eq alongside the test cancel out this issue? And also be pretty mild to run with the test as a first cycle?

Test only brother. EQ, while on the lower end of side effect causing AAS does introduce its own problems. That and the collagen synthesizing properties aren't really worth it in this case imo.

 

[bigben66]

I was considering running test e with tren ace and a halo kickstart. To me, a lot of the before and after pictures of users 1st cycle of test look just like bloated bigger versions of where they started with slightly more definition. I am more interested in obtaining the super cut dry look that I see many physique competitors having while at the same time increasing my strength (not that I am weak right now).

You have to remember... the drug won't do this for you... the look you refer too was gained by years of strict diet, 'appropriate' training and supplementation... the gear will do f*ck all for you if all those other 3 aren't in place. Not to mention leaving alcohol, street/prescription drugs alone, proper sleep patterns etc....

There's more to this game than jabbing and swallowing you know surely?!

Trust me, if you have all of the other things in place - merely putting your Testosterone to a supraphysiological dose will bring you amazing results - the pics you mentioned of a bloated bigger version' were obviously guys who have no comprehension of the importance of those key factors.

And as for your Test/Tren/Halo 1st cycle suggestion

You need to wise up if that's your blasé approach to these harsh compounds bud.

 

[Joenama6943]

Thanks for the help mega and halfwit

 

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