first cycle.HELP

[murdered0102]

Hey guys, i read a little bit into the thread on the "first cycle". I'm just coming off of my 2nd cycle of prohormones and im finishing it up with 3 test-oxo and roman red pct-280. I've got okay results but I'm ready to take it to the next level. I'm wanting the dexterity, size, fullness ect that steroids will provide me with. Being 6' 230 with about 13%body fat I think that I have great potential. I've been on a Great eating diet for the past month and I plan on keeping it that way for life. I also read franco columbu's book on bodybuilding nutrition and it had great info on how to feed the body and to keep it in tip top working condition. I've heard a lot of you guys saying that testo is the way to go...600mg-800mg injections over a 10-12 week cycle? Well if thats the case I would like some help with this because I am Completely New to the steroid scene. So, if testo is the way to go where can I get it and how should i lay out my cycle so i get the best results? Thanks

 

[hell yeah lesbians!]

Don't ask for sources. Hang out, make friends, get 50 posts.

Read the stickies. Read the stickies. Read the stickies.

Be patient. This is your body. You only get one.

 

[Ocdude]

^^^ Like he said, take your time. This is a whole new ballgame from PH's. Interact with others here and stick around. People aren't going to drop source names without you proving yourself a bit.

Its VERY important that you understand the basics of steroid use and how they can affect your body in the long run. So, allow me to direct you to the stickies. Learn the basics and let us know what you're really going for here. I definitely wouldn't go any higher than 600mg a week on your first cycle.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...-perfect-age-range-start-aas-first-cycle.html
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/156919-im-ready-gear-check-list.html
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/595482-standard-pcts.html
(and thats just a start really!)

Read Read Read and ask questions when you get stuck. And btw, given your PH experience... you should be able to jump right into those discussions!

 

[You mad Bro]

I'll give you some information on the basic but research lots aswel, steroids are not something to start taking without knowledge.

What ancilleries to run with steroids:
Excessive testosterone will convert to estrogen and will give many side effects, worst one being the development of breasts. To counter this You need to take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (aromatase inhibitor) during any testosterone cycle the majority of people use Anastrazole(arimidex) in liquid form. RUI the sponser of this board sells this.

Other steroid compounds do not convert to estrogen but convert into progesterone or prolactin, for this you need cabergoline or pramipexole, RUI sells this.

post cycle therapy (pct): You should never run any Over the counter product for post cycle therapy (pct), if I've learnt anything in life it's that anything the FDA it's approved because it doesn't do anything, in most cases. You need to be running Clomid for post cycle therapy (pct) and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in future cycles when you add in more compounds. RUI sells Clomid.

What your first cycle should be:
500mg of Testosterone enanthate EW for 12 weeks, split the dose into two 250mg injection per week, so Inject every Monday and Thursday.

What size needles?:
23 gauge 1.5 inch for glutes, 23 gauge 1 inch for any other body part. Make sure you aspirate when injecting, and do some google search on how to inject. My favourite parts to inject are glutes and Delts, switching injection sites all the time to prevent the build up of scar tissue.

Diet: Quite helpful that you've read a book, but you wouldn't even need to go that far, it all boils down to kcals in vs kcals out and how much protein carbohydrates and fat you're consuming. If you're cycling test eat 1000 kcals over maintenance, 1.5g of protein per lb of bodyweight, increased carb intake and moderate fat. Try lay off processed food you'll feel a lot better for it. Sweet potatos, cottage cheese, sardines, mackerals, tuna, fish fillets, chicken, wholemeal pitta bread, brown rice, bagels, cream cheese, peanut butter and whey protein. That's just the basic outline of what most people consume. If you're already aware of eating properly I apologize, just trying to help a bro.

Training in the gym:
Go hard or go home, make sure you have a solid routine for every body part and if you're not already doing squats and deadlift, start doing them now.

 

[MrMitcheyBoy]

^^^^^^^ Got a competition going on here for best AAS first timer advice.....

 

[murdered0102]

Well I've been reading threads on what the previous guy had posted. After the cycle do I need to keep on a post cycle pill or anything? I would assume it will be a continuous lifestyle after I start. Where can I look at everything that I will need in order to do this...do you have a website? No, problem with the diet thing man, good info. Any help on gear will help me because like I said I'm brand new to this scene.

 

[Ocdude]

Well I've been reading threads on what the previous guy had posted. After the cycle do I need to keep on a post cycle pill or anything? I would assume it will be a continuous lifestyle after I start. Where can I look at everything that I will need in order to do this...do you have a website? No, problem with the diet thing man, good info. Any help on gear will help me because like I said I'm brand new to this scene.

Its not a lifetime thing bro, many guys do one cycle a year and are completely off any post cycle therapy (pct) meds following post cycle therapy (pct).

The standard first cycle looks like:
12 Weeks of 250mg Test E injected twice a week
14 Days after the last injection you run post cycle therapy (pct) with Clomid for 4 weeks (and then you're off!)

Its good to have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand (like Aromasin) in case you start to see signs of gyno. And though not a necessity, a blast phase of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is becoming popular just prior to post cycle therapy (pct) starting.

The key to retaining your gains past post cycle therapy (pct) is continuing eat enough calories to match your new size and working out consistently.

There is A LOT of information out there and if your brain doesn't hurt a little after an entire day of soaking in as much as you can, keep reading! I learned so much just in a few days of research, that I had an idea of what I wanted to do. Then you post your plan and get feedback and refine it some more.

 

[meeeeeeeeeeeeee]

No one on here can help you find gear!! Read read read this was my first cycle!

Week 1-12 * 500mg Testosterone enanthate
Week 1-12 * 250iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) E4D
Week12-14 *500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ED (ending 4 days before PCT)*
Week 14-18 * 50mg clomid ED
Week 1-14 *12.5mg Aromasin ED
You will not need to take anything after your finished just time to reflect on the awesomeness that just took place in your body!!

 

[You mad Bro]

Nope you don't need anything after cycle other than the Clomid, you will need to concentrate on your diet making sure you are eating a good amount of protein and eating at maintenance, there's calculators online which you can use to find out your maintenance. Disregard all information you hear about people adding in lots of supplements to maintain gains, because as long as your eating well you will maintain your gains.

I'll send you a PM, but stick around here and become a regular, we all help each other out here.

 

[You mad Bro]

^^^^^^^ Got a competition going on here for best AAS first timer advice.....

True haha I love helping new people out because I have so much respect for anyone who makes a post on here before they start injecting.

 

[murdered0102]

Wow! Thanks for all of the great info guys. I didn't know that so much went into this haha. I guess I didnt realize all of the combinations that guys do their cycles in. After reading a bit more and using your guys info I'm looking at 500mg of testo e split twice a week for 12weeks then finishing the cycle with pl clomid 50 for wks 14-18.
OCDUDE-posted.... Its good to have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand (like Aromasin) in case you start to see signs of gyno. And though not a necessity, a blast phase of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is becoming popular just prior to post cycle therapy (pct) starting..... If somebody could explain what the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) term means also along with gyno term that would be great...I assume gyno is a type of side effect.

 

[Ocdude]

Wow! Thanks for all of the great info guys. I didn't know that so much went into this haha. I guess I didnt realize all of the combinations that guys do their cycles in. After reading a bit more and using your guys info I'm looking at 500mg of testo e split twice a week for 12weeks then finishing the cycle with pl clomid 50 for wks 14-18.
OCDUDE-posted.... Its good to have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand (like Aromasin) in case you start to see signs of gyno. And though not a necessity, a blast phase of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is becoming popular just prior to PCT starting..... If somebody could explain what the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) term means also along with gyno term that would be great...I assume gyno is a type of side effect.

Happy to help bro, thats why we're here!

Straight from the sticky:
AI or Aromatase Inhibitor
For this discussion we will only talk about Aromasin (Exemestane).
Since Aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor its effectiveness is not altered by the use of a SERM. When type II inhibitors such as letro and Adex are used in conjunction with a SERM their effectiveness is substantially weakened.
AI's will attach themselves to the aromatase enzyme. This will slow the conversion of testosterone to estrogen, therefore lowering total estrogen levels.

Gyno is a common side effect of too much estrogen in your body. Starting with itchy nipples to lumps and eventually puffy nipples progressing to "bitch tits". When your body is overloaded with Testosterone it gets converted to estrogen. An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) helps control that conversion, and reduces gyno issues.

 

[meeeeeeeeeeeeee]

at the top of the home page you will see "articles" there are some good reads in there a lot of your questions will be answered!! Also read all the steroid profiles you'll be surprised how much you learn! Read what I mentioned and you can answer 5O% of the questions asked on here it's foolish!! Good luck my friend

 

[You mad Bro]

I mentioned that lol, Aromatase inhibitor (AI) means Aromatase inhibitor meaning it will lower your estrogen levels. High estrogen will make you feel tired, bloated, you'll gain fat easier, gyno (tits, your nipples will become sore or itchy and gradualy get bigger) Use Anastrazole all the way through cycle 0.5mg every 3 days or use aromasin like OCDUDE said both are good to use.

Although some people do say have on hand incase of gyno symptoms, I feel that method is ineffective if you get symptoms then get rid of it every cycle you have you're very gradualy increasing gyno because you've had the symptoms, so it's better to be safe and run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) through your cycle. That's just my way of thinking I may be wrong, but it makes sense.

Edit: Beat me to Ocdude aha.

 

[murdered0102]

I mentioned that lol, Aromatase inhibitor (AI) means Aromatase inhibitor meaning it will lower your estrogen levels. High estrogen will make you feel tired, bloated, you'll gain fat easier, gyno (tits, your nipples will become sore or itchy and gradualy get bigger) Use Anastrazole all the way through cycle 0.5mg every 3 days or use aromasin like OCDUDE said both are good to use.

Although some people do say have on hand incase of gyno symptoms, I feel that method is ineffective if you get symptoms then get rid of it every cycle you have you're very gradualy increasing gyno because you've had the symptoms, so it's better to be safe and run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) through your cycle. That's just my way of thinking I may be wrong, but it makes sense.

Edit: Beat me to Ocdude aha.

Once again thanks guys. Like you said, I think i might just take 12.5mg of aromasin throughout my cycle to prevent any signs of gyno. How often do you guys suggest taking it? everyday? a few times a week? Also, this is kinda a dumb question but when a website explains how many mg is contained such as Test Enan 300mg x 10ml...when i see that I think their are 10 doses of 300mg?? or am i wrong? I realize the syringes will measure how many mg is in it, correct?

 

[meeeeeeeeeeeeee]

I always took 12.5 Ed aromasin. my next cycle I'm going to cut er down to 6.25 and if I see bloat or anything I will go back up to 12.5. Not everyone need this I know guys who don't need anything during there cycle I say start low and go up if needed!! You are correct 1ml = 300mg if your getting good gear it will tell you right on the bottle. Avoid mystery gear lol! The syringe will tell you the ml your just drew into it not mg.

 

[murdered0102]

One more question guys. Meeeee...said to avoid mystery gear, well my question is, is their any difference with 10ml-250mg thats 60$ compared to the same thing but on a different website its 150$...I looked at the pic on both website and they both say 10ml-250. The cheaper on had a lot of reviews from guys saying it was great stuff! I'm leaning more toward the cheaper if its ends of doing the same thing.

 

[You mad Bro]

It's the same stuff, go with the cheaper one.

 

[MrMitcheyBoy]

One more question guys. Meeeee...said to avoid mystery gear, well my question is, is their any difference with 10ml-250mg thats 60$ compared to the same thing but on a different website its 150$...I looked at the pic on both website and they both say 10ml-250. The cheaper on had a lot of reviews from guys saying it was great stuff! I'm leaning more toward the cheaper if its ends of doing the same thing.

Rule number 1....... Don't take any notice of the reviews on the site which are selling you the gear, it is bullshit so you buy the stuff. If I was you I would put your wallet back in your pocket and spend some time on ology getting to know people and you never know you might come across a reliable source WINK WINK.

 

[murdered0102]

well guys i plan on ordering my gear sometime this week! I've been looking at how to inject...ive heard in the glute and deltoid? Does it matter which of the two places that I inject at? Where do you guys inject? and the days that you do, do you do all 250 in the one area? or do you split the 250 in half into two different areas?