First cycle....in a while. Strange effects.

LostTime

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31 years old. 216 lbs. 14% bf. Been training for 9 years. First cycle in 6 years. Here's what's going on:

Currently on day 26.

Started with 3 10ml bottles of QV 250. Yes, the newer stuff that comes from IP. Batch QVE-012 and exp 08-2012. We can get to whether it's legit later. The supplier uses it himself, and supplies other people I know who have had good success. Can't say whether it's from the same batch, however.

Here's the schedule thus far. Shooting every 3rd day, so @ 500mg/week, it's actually 583mg/week. I figure the QV is underdosed.

Day1 - 500mg
4 - 500mg
7 - 250
10 - 250
13 - 250
16 - 250
19 - 250
22 - 312
25 - 250
Finished bottle #1 on day 16. More on this later.

Day 7 - .25 Adex
9 - .25
11 - .25
13 - .25
15 - .25
20 - .50
22 - .50
24 - .50
26 - .25

Within one day of the first 500mg shot, I started to feel a little bit of tightness in my chest and anxiety. Could be that I just hate needles. I kept checking my blood pressure and it was always within normal range, despite it feeling like it was coming out of my chest when I layed down to go to sleep. After the 2nd shot of the frontload, more of the same. After the 3rd shot of 250mg the feeling started to subside. Tightness in chest was gone, but still had the heart pounding at night.

Day 13 came around and I started to feel a little like I was on. Just a general empowering feeling, starting to feel "it". On my day 15 chest workout, my bench jumped 25lbs. I had more endurance than ever, and just never seemed to tire. I felt like it was starting to hit. Then came the Day 16 shot. I only had about .75cc left in bottle #1, so I got the last .25cc out of bottle #2. Here's where things get wonky. I didn't feel the shot. I had zero post-injection pain. I couldn't even feel the oil in me. I even questioned my buddy giving me the shot, if she really put it in there. But I figured, hey, maybe I'm just getting used to them. Next day, barely any soreness.

Back workout on day 17 was good, shoulders on day 18 was great. Went up 10lbs on db shoulder presses from the week previous. I definitely was feeling "it". I also noticed that my testicles were sore and drawn-up really tight. They were like this for about 3 days straight before the pain subsided and they lowered back down. I figured it was just them starting to shut-down. Libido had increased as well. Day 19 shot, again, felt nothing. I was getting a little suspicious. Then...my arm workout on day 20. Crap. Had no strength. I also had noticed the "on" feeling I had, had vanished. But I figured just a bad day. Libido was now gone and the "it" feeling was nowhere to be found. Day 22 shot came around and yet again, no pain. I decided to up the dose 25% thinking that maybe bottle #2 was underdosed compared to #1. All three bottles are the same batch, btw.

Had a decent workout that day, but nothing spectacular. If you notice the adex dosing, I tried playing around with it. I thought maybe the adex was killing my libido and causing me to lose that feeling, so I stopped it. After 5 days of no change, I thought I'd just try upping it slightly. Still, no change. I've only gained 4lbs as yet this cycle, and have zero appetite, and no libido. Although erectile function is still present, the drive is gone.

Does anyone have any thoughts as to what the hell is going on? At first I thought perhaps the first increase in stength and libido was all placebo, but all the other effects made me think no. But being on day 26 now, you'd think I'd be seeing some increase in weight and/or strength. Could the adex have cause these issues? I'm really at a loss here. I doubt that different bottles within the same batch are dosed differently, and even if they are, I lost the feeling within 3 days of my last shot from bottle #1. Hardly enough time, no?

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
 
Perhaps my question was too broad.

1) Let's assume that one bottle was good, and the 2nd bottle was bunk. Is 3 days enough time to lose the effects if injecting straight oil and no hormones? Is there any correlation between amount of post-injection soreness and the amount of test-e hormone injected? More homone, more pain.....less hormone, less pain? Or am I just getting used to the injections?

2) It's proven that high and/or low e2 levels can cause libido issues, but can it also cost you the increased energy and stamina the test provides? Also the feeling of well-being.

3) Is it possible to have testicular atrophy that would cause soreness after only 12 days? Or is it possible the soreness was caused by a really good day of deadlifts?

Any ideas?
 
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I think the front load could account for this: "Within one day of the first 500mg shot, I started to feel a little bit of tightness in my chest and anxiety. Could be that I just hate needles. I kept checking my blood pressure and it was always within normal range, despite it feeling like it was coming out of my chest when I layed down to go to sleep. After the 2nd shot of the frontload, more of the same." probably why most people dont recommend it

anyways... im not real experienced or anything but my guess is that you just had some good days and some down days... you said you had a huge strength gain just about 2 weeks in. i know i didnt really get any big strength increase till late week 3 and week 4, and it looks like you're still in week 3. And yes, 3 days after the last injection of the Test E from the first bottle is not enough time for you to notice anything. I think its like 2 weeks until the enanthate ester actually works or whatever..
 
JAMYJAMJR is running QV and something like this if I remember the thread happed to him.He from what he posts has a lot of experience with QV if you think it has something to do with that lab,PM him maybe, maybe he can help bro
 
JAMYJAMJR is running QV and something like this if I remember the thread happed to him.He from what he posts has a lot of experience with QV if you think it has something to do with that lab,PM him maybe, maybe he can help bro

Drew, thanks for the suggestion. I searched back and found his thread. His centered around his cough, BP and heartrate issues. While I seemed to have those very symptoms initially, that's not where my main concern lies. I'm trying to determine why I'm suddenly feeling "nothing". No libido increase any more, no feeling of well-being. All the good stuff....suddenly gone.
 
Libido was now gone and the "it" feeling was nowhere to be found.
I thought maybe the adex was killing my libido and causing me to lose that feeling, so I stopped it. After 5 days of no change,
Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

The Aromatase inhibitor (AI) could definately be the cause of these symptoms. AI's reduce your natural production of aromatase enzyme, so if you drive your estrogen levels too low, it may take weeks (not days) to start producing aromatase again.
One reason I prefer not to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or anti E until one knows beyond shadow of doubt that they are gyno prone.
Even you you need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), HRT and testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocols sometimes use as little as .25mg twice a week to control estrogen.
It is very possible your estrogen is way too low.
 
Dragon, thanks for the info. Unfortunately, I am aware that I'm very gyno-prone...having had a bad case of it after puberty that required surgery to correct. I was trying to play to the safe side with this cycle, starting with the .25 eod. Clearly the low e2 could be causing the lack of libido, but I had only been on the adex for about a week when my libido tanked. How long does it take for the adex to begin inhibiting the aromatase? Could .25 eod be enough to drive my e2 "too" low, considering how easily my body tends to convert test to estro?
 
How long does it take for the adex to begin inhibiting the aromatase? Could .25 eod be enough to drive my e2 "too" low, considering how easily my body tends to convert test to estro?

Hard to say because everyone metabolizes AI's at different rates. Some people metabolize it so fast, they have to take it multiple times per day. Most of us metabolize it slower and can get by with twice a week or eod schedules.
AI's are very powerful drugs, so yes .25mg eod could drive you too low very fast.
How quickly you aromatize test to estro is not going to change your effective dose of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). The biggest problem is, we have to find out by trial and error what our individual effective doses are. It is a delicate balancing act. Low estrogen can be worse than slightly high estrogen because you can lose both your ability to maintain an erection AND your ability to reach orgasm. Viagra and Cialis will help with elevated estrogen, but it won't do anything for estrogen that is too low.
This is one of those case where more may not necessarily be better.
 
The oddest part is, erectile function is fine, it's simply the drive isn't quite there. I've checked to make sure everything is in working order, and it is. I would just like to have the desire back.
 
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