first cycle / low libido - HELP!

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plokijuh

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I started my first test cycle around 6 months ago.. I took the following:
Sustanon 250/wk
Equipoise 300/wk
Primo 300/wk

my cycle lasted around 8 weeks. I wasn't aware that i should do PCT until around 4 weeks ago. I started taking 2 shots only of HCG 5000iu. But then i read that HCG is no good and the dosage was too high so i stopped and started taking the following:

HCGenerate ES - 5 caps a day for 4 weeks
Clomid - 50mg for 3 weeks
Nolva - 20mg for 2 weeks

I'm into my 5th week and right now i'm taking HCGenrate / Unleashed / PCT / Forma every day.

My PCT seems to be messed up, i'm not sure what i'm supposed to take and i'm very worried... my libido is still low after 6 months. I really need help on this? what exactly should i be doing to recover?
And I lost most of the gains and i gained fat which i think is causd by water retention and i haven't done blood work before.
 
Yeah, once you have that blood work it will be easier to guide you through this. Make sure to get as pumped up before you start then you will get way better results.
 
I've done a blood test:

Prolactin 4.87 ng/ml (2.5-17)
LH 5.47 IU/L (0.8-7.6)
FSH 2.58 IU/L (0.7-11.1)
Testosterone 15.43 nmol/L (9.4-60.1)
CEA 1.85 ng/ml

no free test results.

The doctor is saying my results are very good! but i'm still having issues with libido and erection. btw i'm 29 years old.
any Advise? i stopped all PCT right now.
 
plokijuh said:
I've done a blood test:

Prolactin 4.87 ng/ml (2.5-17)
LH 5.47 IU/L (0.8-7.6)
FSH 2.58 IU/L (0.7-11.1)
Testosterone 15.43 nmol/L (9.4-60.1)
CEA 1.85 ng/ml

no free test results.

The doctor is saying my results are very good! but i'm still having issues with libido and erection. btw i'm 29 years old.
any Advise? i stopped all PCT right now.
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It doesn't look like your PCT is working very well. Your TT equates to 445ng/do which is low-normal, but it should be high with the clomid + nolva in you. Your LH and FSH should be higher too.

I recommend running a more typical PCT. Clomid and Nolva are more effective when run together at the same time. And drop the HCGenerate.
 
plokijuh said:
I stopped clomid + nolva around 3 weeks ago... should I take them again? what dosage and how long?
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Here is a week by week plan for PCT, each week is associated with a daily dosages measured in mg's, two compounds are used and will be listed accordingly as well.

Clomid (Clomiphene)

Week 1 - 100mg ED | Week 2, 3, 4 - 50mg ED

Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)

Week 1, 2 - 40mg ED | Week 3, 4 - 20mg ED

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Drop everything else you've mentioned. HCG is NOT worthless by the way, it's just supposed to be used while you're on cycle and leading up to your PCT to aid in recovery.

Do you have any HCG unmixed left? It doesn't take but 2-3 months for it to start getting old after being mixed, but if you have unmixed vials still and some BAC water.. it might be worth dropping everything and giving your nuts a boost before starting the PCT protocol listed above!
 
I took 2 shots of HCG of 5000iu each around two months ago... I think nut size is back to nomral, should i just stick with clomid + nolva? as i read that HCG is actaully not good!

And isn't 100mg of clomid too high? i did take 50mg for 3 weeks before.


Hypnotix said:
Here is a week by week plan for PCT, each week is associated with a daily dosages measured in mg's, two compounds are used and will be listed accordingly as well.

Clomid (Clomiphene)

Week 1 - 100mg ED | Week 2, 3, 4 - 50mg ED

Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)

Week 1, 2 - 40mg ED | Week 3, 4 - 20mg ED

-----------------------------------------------------------

Drop everything else you've mentioned. HCG is NOT worthless by the way, it's just supposed to be used while you're on cycle and leading up to your PCT to aid in recovery.

Do you have any HCG unmixed left? It doesn't take but 2-3 months for it to start getting old after being mixed, but if you have unmixed vials still and some BAC water.. it might be worth dropping everything and giving your nuts a boost before starting the PCT protocol listed above!
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I followed the PCT advised and did a blood test with following results:

LH 10 IU/L (0.8-7.6)
FSH 7 IU/L (0.7-11.1)
Testosterone 29 nmol/L (9.4-60.1)
Free Testosterone 9.0 pg/ml (5.5-40)

Has the PCT worked well? my doctor says your results are fine.. but i still feel that my libido is down from pre-cycle levels... is there any way to improve? will testosterone levels return if i wait?
 
plokijuh said:
I followed the PCT advised and did a blood test with following results:

LH 10 IU/L (0.8-7.6)
FSH 7 IU/L (0.7-11.1)
Testosterone 29 nmol/L (9.4-60.1)
Free Testosterone 9.0 pg/ml (5.5-40)

Has the PCT worked well? my doctor says your results are fine.. but i still feel that my libido is down from pre-cycle levels... is there any way to improve? will testosterone levels return if i wait?
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when you stopped clomid and nolva? if recently then clomid not yet cleared system and cause low libido despite high test levels, when it clear out libido should return. I think it takes couple weeks to completely clear clomid out of system.
 
Yes libido should be returning after the pct. Did you follow the PCT that was recommended by the members here or did you do your own ??
 
rikardo82 said:
when you stopped clomid and nolva? if recently then clomid not yet cleared system and cause low libido despite high test levels, when it clear out libido should return. I think it takes couple weeks to completely clear clomid out of system.
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I stopped clomid and nolva around a week ago. is my free testosterone considered low?
 
I did another blood test after around 3 months from my last:

LH 4.36 IU/L (0.8-7.6)
FSH 2.55 IU/L (0.7-11.1)
Testosterone 17.42 nmol/L (9.4-60.1)
Free Testosterone 7.0 pg/ml (5.5-40)


My doctor keeps saying that my results are completely fine! although my libido still feels low and my testosterone level are lower from last blood test. Any advise please???


plokijuh said:
I followed the PCT advised and did a blood test with following results:

LH 10 IU/L (0.8-7.6)
FSH 7 IU/L (0.7-11.1)
Testosterone 29 nmol/L (9.4-60.1)
Free Testosterone 9.0 pg/ml (5.5-40)

Has the PCT worked well? my doctor says your results are fine.. but i still feel that my libido is down from pre-cycle levels... is there any way to improve? will testosterone levels return if i wait?
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Bro, unfortunately in my opinion your testosterone should be higher. Sadly allot of doctors are going to say you are normal because your number fall into the very large range of normal which you should not be relying upon. Find the doctor that wants to understand why, and then make an educated decision on what to tell him.

Facts are you have now run one stupid PCT, and another recommended here, which is heavy. If I ran that much clomid I'll kill someone and myself. Can't handle it, and because I'm now on TRT I don't ever have to. Everything else has stabilised and looks fine. Although FSH is a little low. My bet is that if you wait it out you will return to normal if you don't touch AAS. Terrible first cycle, man. People don't realise that EQ will shut you down hard. I'ts super long acting too. Not to be taken lightly by a newb, that is for sure. And sust, LOL, a great concept but a terrible compound in practise. This potential recovery I speak of could take 12 months or more. Just some things to think about. You jump back on the juice wagon, you may never be jumping back off. Walked to that fork in the road myself....

But there is one more option. The good Old Restart Protocol!!! i was not yet on TRT, and was on gear hard for over a year before I met my wife, came off to crash, so I could go on TRT, did this and knocked
her up on my way to getting my script. Not saying it didn't work, but I still got my test script. But I skipped the very last step. HCG is great stuff, and it will mimic the hell out of your LH, so you will be fertile.

You could get your hands on 5000iu of HCG, smash it out at 500iu ED with 25mg of Aromasin / day
Wait 3 days putting nothing in your body but water and healthy food,
And then hit up 60mg Tamox ED for 4 weeks
with 30mg clomid ED for 4 weeks
lower the aromasin to 12.5mg e5 days for 4 weeks.

Wait 1 year.

I've seen dudes do it with success after a fucked up cycle and botched recovery or both.
 
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