First cycle questions

[dhend595]

I'm going to stop you now and say that I don't mean as much that I have questions as I mean that I would like some personal opinions. I have done solid research and I've read several times now that a Test E only first cycle is completely fine. I've also read that Test E - Deca is better or that Test E - Dbol is better. I've also read that Test - Deca - Dbol is the best. I don't believe for a first cycle all that would be appropriate though.

What I'm considering is running Test E and Dbol.
1-12 weeks 200X2 Test E Tue/Thur (400mg total)
1-10 weeks 50mg ED Dbol.
Wait two weeks then run my Clomid. I have 60ml at 50mg/ml

I have access to an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but I was told only worry about that if I show signs.

Some stats:
23
5'7"
170lbs
8-11% BF

My questions center around this idea that I've seen over and over. "You're first cycle is always your best."
Considering that I want to run it safely and I have literally almost no support group locally to coach me. I have great control over my diet and exercise. I have no problem taking advice and I am more than willing to learn new info. I also read in a couple forums that running the Clomid pre cycle can naturally raise test levels can anyone give me a source to read with solid evidence of this? I want to run an optimum first cycle. I'm also confused as to how running Test with Deca will stop "Deca dick"

Am I pretty on point with what I'm looking at? If I'm missing anything let me know.

 

[2rude4u]

For a first cycle, I would drop the DBOL and bump test to at least 250 x 2. I am also a firm believer that you should run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), even without showing sides. A lack of sides does not mean your estro is in check.

And why would you be concerned with raising natural test if you're going to run, since you will shut it down anyways? Also, test does not stop Deca-dick, but it can improve your chances of avoiding it. Test should be run with every cycle.

 

[dhend595]

Okay but why specifically? I understand your concern about the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I've considered running Arimidex 0.25-0.50mg from weeks 3-16.

And If Test doesn't guarantee stopping the negative effects of Deca what is it exactly that makes it worth while?

The Clomid question was just because I know 60ml is too much and don't really need to keep it around after I'm done.

 

[FormerFatty]

Well not a huge believer about first cycle is your best because basically you get used to the feeling of a cycle. So yes first cycle will be the biggest change. But I find the rest much better since I am use to the whole process and no what to expect. 2rude4u is correct only run Test so you can understand the effect of the cycle based on the compound. Any DR will tell you ever one reacts differenty. Also please get blood work so you can judge the effectiveness of your PCT which is the most important thing. Also word to the wise have that Aromatase inhibitor (AI) already bought and on hand as well as your clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). This lifestyle is not supported by Walmart so availability can swing wildly. You don't want to ever NEED anything.

 

[2rude4u]

Okay but why specifically? I understand your concern about the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I've considered running Arimidex 0.25-0.50mg from weeks 3-16.

And If Test doesn't guarantee stopping the negative effects of Deca what is it exactly that makes it worth while?

The Clomid question was just because I know 60ml is too much and don't really need to keep it around after I'm done.

Specifically becuase as you stated, this is your first cycle and you have no idea what to expect or how you will react to any potential sides.

Say for example you do run DBOL & test first time and have severe sides or a severe reaction. What caused it... DBOL or test?

Also Deca, like any other steroid will kill you natural test production, but will not provide or replace your test. Therefore you have no natural test production or exo test to replace it. Test should always be run with a cycle, but test is only part of preventing deca-dick, another cause would be prolactin.

The last thing I want to pointout is your use of the word "guarantee"...

You do realize that absolutely nothing is guarnteed when it comes to steroid use right?

 

[dhend595]

Oh I understand completely. I'm having my blood work done this month for the before and I'm going to do everything accurately according to what I've read and just run the Test. Although I can't say I've ever had a negative reaction to anything medically before I understand that there is a chance and the side effects range wildly.

That also solves more of the Deca question. I guess I assumed that it wouldn't drop the test as much because it isn't test. Can't have everything.

I'm looking for the average gains of a first cycle. I'm not expecting to be superman but I am certainly looking to do it correctly and see the results. I'll get the armidex and cycle it in because I'd rather be safe than sorry. I still have time I don't get out of the military until June 1 and that's the first day I plan on starting.

Any other advice I should pick up?

 

[Wildstylez]

I would't run an oral for 10 weeks, EVER. Very liver toxic. I personally will never run an Oral again when there are great things like Test Prop etc to choose from.
I also wouldn't run Deca for your first cycle unless you have joint problems and are looking for the Collagen synthesis help. Deca can help repair joints.

Me and my best friend ran almost this exact cycle and gained 20 clean pounds each. The tbol was great because we never had a bloat at all and was perfect to kickstart the cycle until week 4 when the TestE kicked.
Please please please make sure you have an AI(arimidex) on hand at all times wherever you go.
Most people won't feel the need to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) until week 2 or 3 because TestE takes a while to kick in.

Week 1: 40mg Tbol eD
Week 2-4: 60mg Tbol eD
Week 1-10 TestE 500mg/wk (250mg x2)
Week 2-10 Arimidex 0.5mg eD (we both experienced nipple pain on week 3 so we went with adex eD)
(Nolvadex on hand throughout cycle if needed to be used to block estrogen in breasts)

PCT:
Week 12: 100mg Clomid eD
Week 13-16 50mg Clomid eD

Make sure you run a liver support. (Milk thistle, Liv52)

Verdict:
Gained 20lbs
Stayed at same bodyfat
Strength skyrocketed
After full PCT I lost 3lbs but strength stayed up


Tbol can be a bit pricey, more than Dbol anyways.
Why I loved the Tbol so much is because it didn't cause a bloat like Dbol can and also Tbol isn't supposed to convert to estrogen meaning Gyno from Tbol is almost unheard of.