First cycle - Testosterone propionate.

[Striving4Aesthetics]

Hey guys,

I'm starting my first cycle in the next month and I've got all my products already (prop 100MG/1ML, clomid, nolvadex, liquidex) and I just need some clarification on a few things. Anyway my proposed cycle is 125MG test prop every Monday, Wednesday and Friday for eight weeks. This works out perfectly as well so I'll have no test left over. I have a few questions:

• Is the pinning schedule of Monday, Wednesday and Friday okay?
• Is Liquidex at 0.5MG EOD sufficient?
• Can the liquids be mixed with a small glass of juice and still be effective?
• Can a 23G 1.25INCH needle be used for glutes and quads?
• Can testosterone just be stored in my desk drawers in my room?
• If you aspirate and draw blood do you have to change injection spot?
• If you hit a nerve how painful is it on a scale of 1-10, and do you have to change injection spot?

Any help would be massively appreciated.

 

[KraviMan]

What's with the newbie's choosing P over E and C recently. At those doses, you won't see a huge difference in test levels and with the latter you can save yourself the pinning. Sorry, don't want to rag on you or anything, just curious.

To answer:

1)Pinning EOD is fine with the Propionate ester.

2)Start at 0.5mg EOD and see how you feel. Yes, you can mix with beverages.

3)Needle sizes are personal preference. 23-25gx1-1.5" are perfect for every site. 27g for leaner sites.

4)Anywhere away from sunlight is fine.

5)Yes and no. Some don't change, some do.

6)Change spots for a while. Depends how hard you hit the nerve. If you do it right, no worries.

 

[a7x411]

You don't need to aspirate, it's personal pref. I never do. But if you inject into a vein, you will know it....ohhh you will know it

 

[Vino 1]

Good luck on your cycle. Pinning eod can get old. Might be a bit rough for u being as its your first time pinning. I KINDA like pinning so it's not to bad. Ive also never aspirated but im not saying dont do it. Kravi did a good job answering your questions so be safe and have fun!!

 

[KraviMan]

Seeing as the topic of aspiration came up, I feel like I can give you my two pennies. Shiny, copper pennies with Abe sitting there like a boss. I'd recommend aspirating either your entire first cycle or the first several pins. The reason for that is to get the user to know how much "area" they have to pin safely.

I aspirated my first two pins. Now, I feel confident enough to not do it since I know where I am in my quad.

 

[Striving4Aesthetics]

What's with the newbie's choosing P over E and C recently. At those doses, you won't see a huge difference in test levels and with the latter you can save yourself the pinning. Sorry, don't want to rag on you or anything, just curious.

To answer:

1)Pinning EOD is fine with the Propionate ester.

2)Start at 0.5mg EOD and see how you feel. Yes, you can mix with beverages.

3)Needle sizes are personal preference. 23-25gx1-1.5" are perfect for every site. 27g for leaner sites.

4)Anywhere away from sunlight is fine.

5)Yes and no. Some don't change, some do.

6)Change spots for a while. Depends how hard you hit the nerve. If you do it right, no worries.

I have a few reasons for choosing propionate. Firstly I was originally going to do enanthate at 500MG a week but my dealer wouldn't be getting enanthate for another six months. Secondly, I heard you get more bloat on enanthate and it's harder to keep stable levels. Thirdly the cycle of propionate is shorter and there is less time between the last pin and post cycle therapy (pct), meaning hopefully a better recovery. The idea of pinning doesn't really bother me. The only thing I am worried about is hitting a nerve lol.

You don't need to aspirate, it's personal pref. I never do. But if you inject into a vein, you will know it....ohhh you will know it

Good luck on your cycle. Pinning eod can get old. Might be a bit rough for u being as its your first time pinning. I KINDA like pinning so it's not to bad. Ive also never aspirated but im not saying dont do it. Kravi did a good job answering your questions so be safe and have fun!!

I don't mind pinning three days a week man. The idea of quick and visible gains on prop rather than having to wait four weeks on enanthate sounds really nice. I'm always going to aspirate. I can't work out why some people never do, especially when it can come down to life and death. It takes like an extra fifteen seconds, why does that matter?

Seeing as the topic of aspiration came up, I feel like I can give you my two pennies. Shiny, copper pennies with Abe sitting there like a boss. I'd recommend aspirating either your entire first cycle or the first several pins. The reason for that is to get the user to know how much "area" they have to pin safely.

I aspirated my first two pins. Now, I feel confident enough to not do it since I know where I am in my quad.

I will definitely aspirate my whole cycle. Why not? It takes like an extra fifteen seconds who cares? It's important and should be done in my opinion all the time.

 

[Vino 1]

Well here's my question: How do u know u don't mind pinning three days a week when you've never pinned the first time? And I never aspirated because the chances of injecting into a vein are slim to zero. The reason i sound like I'm being a bit rude right now is because your responses sound quite arrogant. But I'm running tren right now too. That may have something to do with my irritability

 

[Striving4Aesthetics]

Well here's my question: How do u know u don't mind pinning three days a week when you've never pinned the first time? And I never aspirated because the chances of injecting into a vein are slim to zero. The reason i sound like I'm being a bit rude right now is because your responses sound quite arrogant. But I'm running tren right now too. That may have something to do with my irritability

I just don't think it would bother me mate. I see some people saying they have never pinned and even the idea of it freaks them out. I was initially freaked out a bit but now after doing heaps of research and minimizing any risks I feel a lot better. Sorry mate I wasn't meaning to sound arrogant. Have you ever hit a nerve before? That's one thing that is putting me off pinning still. I couldn't imagine hitting a nerve with a fucking needle and still have that needle in you. God just the thought of it. How's the tren going for you? Is it really that good? Lol it sounds awesome but I don't know if I should ever do more than testosterone.

 

[Vino 1]

I just don't think it would bother me mate. I see some people saying they have never pinned and even the idea of it freaks them out. I was initially freaked out a bit but now after doing heaps of research and minimizing any risks I feel a lot better. Sorry mate I wasn't meaning to sound arrogant. Have you ever hit a nerve before? That's one thing that is putting me off pinning still. I couldn't imagine hitting a nerve with a fucking needle and still have that needle in you. God just the thought of it. How's the tren going for you? Is it really that good? Lol it sounds awesome but I don't know if I should ever do more than testosterone.

I like how u handled that. Lol The only time I ever hit a nerve was pinning quads. I was pinning my left quad and I pushed the needle in And my damn leg starts jumping and twitching. It felt weird. No more pinning in left quad. I stick to right quad so I can place pin more accurately and glutes as u won't hit no nerves back there. Or at least I never have. The tren is ok. Sleep has been disturbed a bit but I take some Zzzzquil and it puts me out. More irritable. Maybe some anxiety. But I'm smashing shit in the gym. Def not advised for a first cycle.

 

[KraviMan]

I have a few reasons for choosing propionate. Firstly I was originally going to do enanthate at 500MG a week but my dealer wouldn't be getting enanthate for another six months. Secondly, I heard you get more bloat on enanthate and it's harder to keep stable levels. Thirdly the cycle of propionate is shorter and there is less time between the last pin and post cycle therapy (pct), meaning hopefully a better recovery. The idea of pinning doesn't really bother me. The only thing I am worried about is hitting a nerve lol.

I will definitely aspirate my whole cycle. Why not? It takes like an extra fifteen seconds who cares? It's important and should be done in my opinion all the time.

Ah, I see. The dealer issue is common with people who shop specific brands or go local. That's why some go with shopping online, it gives more variety and the prices of a GOOD source are always reasonable for the wait you endure. The myth about no bloating on Prop is just that, a myth. The Enanthate ester cannot cause bloat as it's destroyed by the esterase enzymes long before the testosterone becomes absorbed by the body. The purpose of the ester is to keep the hormone suspended until it falls off. The bloat that many report, just comes from their diets. There are some people who compete and use E or C to diet down and they claim they hold just as much water as Prop.

I feel like if you want to aspirate, go for it. I did for my first two pins and nothing happened. I didn't do it on my third pin, nothing happened. Like Vino said, the chances of you hitting a major nerve are rare, unless you're unaware of where to pin or move around too much. In reality, you hit multiple small nerves just by inserting the needle inside. It's up to you though, do what makes you feel safer.

Vino brought up a good point. How do you know you are ready to deal with pinning multiple times a week as opposed to twice a week if you have little to no experience with this? Don't be quick to dismiss the mental courage needed to do your first pin. I was very nervous mere millimeters from the skin and was literally debating doing this or not. I don't want to discourage you, I'm just saying, it's one thing to say you can handle it, it's another to actually do it. This is why many people recommend the longer esters for beginners as it requires less pinning, but simultaneously allows the user to improve their skill of pinning.

Going back to Propionate ester though. You are aware the ester is known to cause bad PIP, yes? This and many of the short esters (or no esters) are painful due to few things such as keeping a large amount of hormone stable in such a short carbon ester requires a high amount of BA/BB/EO, all of which are irritable to the skin and in some cases, even cause allergic reactions. Also, due to the ester being broken down so fast, it leaves the hormone to sit there and often times will crystallize some (especially in cold weather) which is no fun for your muscle. Just thought you should know.

Regradless, I hope you find the courage to stick to your planned cycle and wish you the best of luck. If you have any questions, feel free to talk to anyone on this board as we can all help you to make the best decision.

 

[deniz]

I just don't think it would bother me mate. I see some people saying they have never pinned and even the idea of it freaks them out.

I was like you my first cycle doing test e and prop and i didn't have any fears of pinning. That doesn't mean it wasn't uncomfortable and i got a bad pip which made sleeping difficult. I also got a bad test flu on it so i just dropped the prop and went with the e only. My mate recommended it bad choice on his part and also my bad for not researching my self.

I would probably just do it since you already got it but i wouldn't take my advice over the other guys as i have little experience.

 

[Striving4Aesthetics]

I like how u handled that. Lol The only time I ever hit a nerve was pinning quads. I was pinning my left quad and I pushed the needle in And my damn leg starts jumping and twitching. It felt weird. No more pinning in left quad. I stick to right quad so I can place pin more accurately and glutes as u won't hit no nerves back there. Or at least I never have. The tren is ok. Sleep has been disturbed a bit but I take some Zzzzquil and it puts me out. More irritable. Maybe some anxiety. But I'm smashing shit in the gym. Def not advised for a first cycle.

Thanks for the help man. Tren definitely sounds like an interesting one.

Ah, I see. The dealer issue is common with people who shop specific brands or go local. That's why some go with shopping online, it gives more variety and the prices of a GOOD source are always reasonable for the wait you endure. The myth about no bloating on Prop is just that, a myth. The Enanthate ester cannot cause bloat as it's destroyed by the esterase enzymes long before the testosterone becomes absorbed by the body. The purpose of the ester is to keep the hormone suspended until it falls off. The bloat that many report, just comes from their diets. There are some people who compete and use E or C to diet down and they claim they hold just as much water as Prop.

I feel like if you want to aspirate, go for it. I did for my first two pins and nothing happened. I didn't do it on my third pin, nothing happened. Like Vino said, the chances of you hitting a major nerve are rare, unless you're unaware of where to pin or move around too much. In reality, you hit multiple small nerves just by inserting the needle inside. It's up to you though, do what makes you feel safer.

Vino brought up a good point. How do you know you are ready to deal with pinning multiple times a week as opposed to twice a week if you have little to no experience with this? Don't be quick to dismiss the mental courage needed to do your first pin. I was very nervous mere millimeters from the skin and was literally debating doing this or not. I don't want to discourage you, I'm just saying, it's one thing to say you can handle it, it's another to actually do it. This is why many people recommend the longer esters for beginners as it requires less pinning, but simultaneously allows the user to improve their skill of pinning.

Going back to Propionate ester though. You are aware the ester is known to cause bad PIP, yes? This and many of the short esters (or no esters) are painful due to few things such as keeping a large amount of hormone stable in such a short carbon ester requires a high amount of BA/BB/EO, all of which are irritable to the skin and in some cases, even cause allergic reactions. Also, due to the ester being broken down so fast, it leaves the hormone to sit there and often times will crystallize some (especially in cold weather) which is no fun for your muscle. Just thought you should know.

Regradless, I hope you find the courage to stick to your planned cycle and wish you the best of luck. If you have any questions, feel free to talk to anyone on this board as we can all help you to make the best decision.

I definitely think I paid way too much for the dealer. Like twice as much as I should have. Oh well. I live in Australia so its almost impossible to buy online and get it into Australia. Customs are ridiculously strict these days. I'm not looking forward to the pip, but I just have to man the fuck up. No pain no gain right? And also, should I go 150MG EOD so basically 250MG per week? Everyone else is telling me 300MG per week is too low. I'm not sure what to do now.

I was like you my first cycle doing test e and prop and i didn't have any fears of pinning. That doesn't mean it wasn't uncomfortable and i got a bad pip which made sleeping difficult. I also got a bad test flu on it so i just dropped the prop and went with the e only. My mate recommended it bad choice on his part and also my bad for not researching my self.

I would probably just do it since you already got it but i wouldn't take my advice over the other guys as i have little experience.

Thanks mate. You can get test flu from any of the tests man I think. Why did the pip affect your sleep? And also, what was the flu like? I'm not looking forward to it. I'm going to smash multivitamins everyday and keep as healthy as possible to try to reduce the flu. Although my mate who helped me out with the prop said he hasn't ever got test flu and he's cycled about four times. Said he's never got it from the prop he uses which I will be using.

 

[KraviMan]

I definitely think I paid way too much for the dealer. Like twice as much as I should have. Oh well. I live in Australia so its almost impossible to buy online and get it into Australia. Customs are ridiculously strict these days. I'm not looking forward to the pip, but I just have to man the fuck up. No pain no gain right? And also, should I go 150MG EOD so basically 250MG per week? Everyone else is telling me 300MG per week is too low. I'm not sure what to do now.



Thanks mate. You can get test flu from any of the tests man I think. Why did the pip affect your sleep? And also, what was the flu like? I'm not looking forward to it. I'm going to smash multivitamins everyday and keep as healthy as possible to try to reduce the flu. Although my mate who helped me out with the prop said he hasn't ever got test flu and he's cycled about four times. Said he's never got it from the prop he uses which I will be using.

I've heard of Australia's customs, man. That is tough as shit. When you live in places like that, you can almost expect to pay higher prices for stuff.

Running 150mg is fine. Still on the low end, but it will work out fine if you're on your first cycle. This will give you a chance to experience the PIP of a short ester and test itself. If you feel lots of pain, just put a hot pad on it and massage the area. Be careful to not get it infected.

Test flu is basically an infection. It is caused by lowered immune system response from bacteria in the gear. This is usually the case with dirty gear. It can also be caused by huge spikes in your levels which can also cause you to have high BP. That's all I know of it as I've never had it yet.

 

[SolomonGrundy]

you wont make it, simply impossible to imagine a first timer can do 3 or more injections a week. you will give up

and your name reminds me of a certain troll we have here

 

[Striving4Aesthetics]

I've heard of Australia's customs, man. That is tough as shit. When you live in places like that, you can almost expect to pay higher prices for stuff.

Running 150mg is fine. Still on the low end, but it will work out fine if you're on your first cycle. This will give you a chance to experience the PIP of a short ester and test itself. If you feel lots of pain, just put a hot pad on it and massage the area. Be careful to not get it infected.

Test flu is basically an infection. It is caused by lowered immune system response from bacteria in the gear. This is usually the case with dirty gear. It can also be caused by huge spikes in your levels which can also cause you to have high BP. That's all I know of it as I've never had it yet.

Thanks man. Yeah Australia sucks for that. I ordered RUI recently and they absolutely ravaged my package. Everything was opened and inspected. They certainly do a fucking thorough job. The guy I got off said he's never got the flu or insanely bad pip from the prop I've got. I guess we'll see how I go. I don't see the big deal in injecting one extra time a week than with enanthate. No big deal. Is there anything I can do or take in terms of supplements which might lower the chance of getting the test flu or having high blood pressure?

you wont make it, simply impossible to imagine a first timer can do 3 or more injections a week. you will give up

and your name reminds me of a certain troll we have here

Why? It's one extra injection a week than if I was to do enanthate. It doesn't seem too big of a deal. I would just keep thinking of the amazing gains on prop and it would get me through it. Why do you think I'll give up anyway? What's your reasons? And no I'm not a troll otherwise I would've trolled already?

 

[deniz]

Thanks mate. You can get test flu from any of the tests man I think. Why did the pip affect your sleep? And also, what was the flu like? I'm not looking forward to it. I'm going to smash multivitamins everyday and keep as healthy as possible to try to reduce the flu. Although my mate who helped me out with the prop said he hasn't ever got test flu and he's cycled about four times. Said he's never got it from the prop he uses which I will be using.

When i get the flu i normally get just a runny nose this time was a very light runny nose and gave me a dizzy feeling. Eventually got a bad fever and had to stay in bed for a day. Gave up after that although it could have been from the test e but after dropping prop i didn't get any sides so i just assumed it was that. As for my sleep mainly cause i was injecting glutes and shoulders so id have trouble sleeping on the side of the injection and the pip would last me 2-3 days. It lasted a bit longer the first week so it was a bitch falling asleep with pips on both glutes as i sleep laying on my back. Although mine might have been the brand cause the test e was doing it to just not as bad. Not sure if it was good gear or not but i did feel significant strength gains week 6 so it was either good or under dosed.

 

[Striving4Aesthetics]

When i get the flu i normally get just a runny nose this time was a very light runny nose and gave me a dizzy feeling. Eventually got a bad fever and had to stay in bed for a day. Gave up after that although it could have been from the test e but after dropping prop i didn't get any sides so i just assumed it was that. As for my sleep mainly cause i was injecting glutes and shoulders so id have trouble sleeping on the side of the injection and the pip would last me 2-3 days. It lasted a bit longer the first week so it was a bitch falling asleep with pips on both glutes as i sleep laying on my back. Although mine might have been the brand cause the test e was doing it to just not as bad. Not sure if it was good gear or not but i did feel significant strength gains week 6 so it was either good or under dosed.

Yeah true thanks man. So what was your pip experience with prop like? Was it a lot worse than enanthate? On a scale of one to ten in terms of pain how much did the pip hurt? That's the only real thing I'm not looking forward to. I'm thinking I'll just stick to quads and glutes so I'll just train legs on the weekends after the pip has gone down a bit. Don't want to do delts cause I want to be training shoulders hard as fuck. Also not sure if you can help me here but due to increased recovery, would it be beneficial to train lagging bodyparts twice per week? Thinking about hitting shoulders twice a week and get them massive boulder shoulders. Might throw in traps, calves and arms twice a week too. I'll just work out a good routine for a prop cycle.

 

[Vino 1]

I personally didn't experience much difference in pip between prop and E. but I'm also mixing my prop with tren ace may be cutting the pip down a bit. U can train lagging parts twice if u like. Good luck and let us know how it's going

 

[KraviMan]

Thanks man. Yeah Australia sucks for that. I ordered RUI recently and they absolutely ravaged my package. Everything was opened and inspected. They certainly do a fucking thorough job. The guy I got off said he's never got the flu or insanely bad pip from the prop I've got. I guess we'll see how I go. I don't see the big deal in injecting one extra time a week than with enanthate. No big deal. Is there anything I can do or take in terms of supplements which might lower the chance of getting the test flu or having high blood pressure?

Wow. Sounds like they had a good time looking through Santa's gifts. You could take any OTC pain reliever for the PIP as well as supplements to help lower BP.

 

[Striving4Aesthetics]

I personally didn't experience much difference in pip between prop and E. but I'm also mixing my prop with tren ace may be cutting the pip down a bit. U can train lagging parts twice if u like. Good luck and let us know how it's going

Thanks man. I'll definitely make a log and keep some updates.

Wow. Sounds like they had a good time looking through Santa's gifts. You could take any OTC pain reliever for the PIP as well as supplements to help lower BP.

Haha yeah they probably have the best days of their life opening up packages. So annoying, oh well. So I could just take some panadol or a pain reliever to help with the pip? Taking pain relievers too often won't be bad for health? Do you recommend any supplements in particular to lower blood pressure like COQ10 or hawthorn berry?