First cycle! tren enanthate test enanthate

[myfaith123]

Hi for my real name its Chris and im 29
this is going to be my first real cycle however ive done prohormones before

i was planning on doing
8 weeks of tren enanthate
10 weeks of test enanthate
(i dont know how to dose them so if somebody could help me)

then i was planning on starting letro one week before my cycle until the end of my last injection and then for my post cycle therapy (pct) start using clomid(again dont know the dosages)
i am a complete noob so
i am also very prone to gyno!
i just need overall help and to know if this is a pretty solid cycle
and if anyone has a suggested cycle or anything
thanks!

 

[DADAWG]

welcome to ology



how do you know your gyno prone?
is this your 1st cycle ?




EDIT
i should have read his post better than i did . dont laugh you will get old 1 day to if your lucky.

 

[Polynikes666]

I'd prefer to see you start with 500mg TE/wk alone for 12-14 weeks. I would also recommend Aromasin over Letrozole. A quick search on post cycle therapy (pct) protocols will answer your Clomid questions.

Poly

 

[DADAWG]

you do not know if your gyno prone because you have never run a cycle before.

run test only as poly advuised for a 1st cycle and aromasin instead of letro.

 

[UserAt204]

Don't use tren on your first cycle. Test at 500mg a week is all that's needed. If you somehow believe you are gyno prone then run aromisin the entire cycle at 12.5 mg every other day. If you start to see gyno then use every day all the way until the end of post cycle therapy (pct).

For post cycle therapy (pct) get some toremifene citrate and use 4 weeks at 60,60,30,30mg. If you want to use clomid do 50,50,50,50.

Hcg is also recommended

Read the sticky "standard post cycle therapy (pct)". And drop the tren for now.

 

[myfaith123]

i found out i was gyno prone when i did prohormones
i was getting getting really sore nipples and began lactating but i ran natrual anti estrogens till it completely went away

 

[DADAWG]

i found out i was gyno prone when i did prohormones
i was getting getting really sore nipples and began lactating but i ran natrual anti estrogens till it completely went away

prohormes and natural anti estrogens as you call them dont tell you anything about what will happen when you run steroids . less than 1% of people are gyno " prone " the rest is just internet paranoia.

read the stickies at the top of the forum page about post cycle therapy (pct) and 1st cycles.

 

[Polynikes666]

UA204,

I have to respectfully disagree with the addition of HCG for a first cycle. Especially if he's gyno prone. How he knows this is a mystery. Perhaps he had some form of pubescent gyno. Maybe the PH's got him. At any rate, as a new AAS user, he may have a tough time determining which compound is responsible for any given side effect.

I do like your idea of using toremifene citrate over Clomid. From what I've been reading, it certainly seems like the superior choice. I'm currently giving it a run to boost sperm count while on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I'll start my own damn thread if I get any results!

Poly

 

[myfaith123]

Alright thanks guys
i will probably end up only using test and the recommended pct's
but i read if i ran test alone i could lose definition and gain large amounts of water weight
is there anything i take take during to prevent that?

 

[Polynikes666]

but i read if i ran test alone i could lose definition and gain large amounts of water weight
is there anything i take take during to prevent that?

Aromasin. Don't take it unless needed. Some people (a minority, in my opinion) never really need AI's.

Poly

 

[UserAt204]

I would like to disagree with you Poly but you do have a point. Really didnt think about that since hcg will cause a spike in estro. Good point. I don't know how I missed that.

And DAWG is correct again. Most people don't get gyno and really don't need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Unfortunately I have gyno (very small lump on both sides) but it's easily controlled. I actually tried to use nolva for gyno control on cycle but it seems that im sensitive to estro sides all around so went back to the aromisin.

Poly, you are using torem with your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? What type of dosing?

 

[Polynikes666]

UA204,

I'll respond to the TC question via PM. Don't want to be a hijacker!

Poly

 

[UserAt204]

Myfaith, most of those effects are controlled by diet. Guys blow up and get puffy because they eat like shit. An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will help if it's estro related so use only if needed but diet dictates the type of gains you get. Don't worry about what a drug profile says, all AAS can be used to cut or bulk depending on your diet.

 

[myfaith123]

okay thanks guys i really appriciate this!
ok so this is the new shindig
Test enanthate at 500mg a week for 10 weeks
aromisin: the entire cycle at 12.5 mg every other day.
For pct:toremifene citrate and use 4 weeks at 60,60,30,30mg.
sound pretty solid?
also i am very skinny and am ashamed so just an estimate on what to expect
im 170 5'8
max on bench is 225

 

[DADAWG]

if you dont add food the cycle will be WORTHLESS.

 

[myfaith123]

haha there will be food
that there will!

 

[lilguy111]

agree with dropping the tren. run test at 500mg/week and ide run e-stane instead of a-dex i had gyno symptoms even on a-dex.