First cycle...would appreciate a look

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LittleGiant

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I'll start off by saying I am 21 years old...yes I know your probably thinking that is young, but I've made the decision to start because I am very serious and think I could do well competively bodybuilding. Here is what I have planned..
Test C - 600mg weeks 1-14
Methylstenbolone - 24mg weeks 1-4
Arimidex on hand as necessary as my AI
Pct will be hcg blast along with clomid @ 50/50/50/50 and nolvadex at 40/40/20/20
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U gotta run an ai with test. It's not something u keep on hand in case shit happens. It prevents shit from happening.
 
Yes I was planning on .25 every other day...I just don't want to squash my estrogen completely and end up with dry joints and fuck shit up
 
I honestly think you should wait a few more years brother, you are young and your endocrine system us not fully developed yet, i say this with with respect and i also say this because i wish i didnt start as young as i did.

With that said though, i think you will most likely go ahead anyways with this cycle so i will say this:

Run arimidex right from the get go, start at .25 oed, get bloodwork done mid cycle to see where your estradiol is at and adjust dose accordingly. You dont to encounter estrogen related side effects and then try to counter them, you want to avoid them altogether.

Make sure you inject twice per week, half your weekly dose each time (mon+thurs type thing)

Id run you HCG at 250iu twice per week as well to give you a better change at recovery, especially being on the younger side

PCT looks good, start that two weeks after last shot

You have a fucking good base to start with dude, i think you gonna get some kickass results if you ask me. Just make sure you are getting bloodwork done man, i cant stress that enough.
 
I appreciate the advice brother. You think hcg during is better than blasting it after...just makes sense to me because hcg stimulates your testes and at the same time the anabolics are going to be telling them to shutdown. I've heard of many different protocols with different theories. Have you tried both?
 
LittleGiant said:
I appreciate the advice brother. You think hcg during is better than blasting it after...just makes sense to me because hcg stimulates your testes and at the same time the anabolics are going to be telling them to shutdown. I've heard of many different protocols with different theories. Have you tried both?
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Ya theres arguments of which way is best, i have tried both and running it through out is going to be your best bet. A simple way to put it is your testes will not start to work again after being shut down if they are atrophied. You must stimulate them and get them back to original size or close to in order for them to start working, if you run HCG through youre cycle and keep you balls youre way ahead of the game and have a better change at recovery. Like maintenance on a car, dont wait for you engine to blow up to fix it, thats gonna cost alot of money and headaches, do preventative maintenance along the way to avoid a huge clusterfuck
 
Good shit man. Sounds like solid advice...that's kind of like Swales hcg protocol right? I'll go that route instead then. As bad as it sounds the way I look at it is I've pretty much already reached my genetic potential and I realize that my endocrine system isn't fully matured at 21 but for how serious I am about taking this as far as I can I can't afford to wait 5 or 6 more years with minimal progress. After a few years of cycling I will probably end up blasting and cruising as it would be the only way I will be able to maintain the mass but anything can change and by no means am I saying that's definite...I've been researching aas for quite a few years and just want to be as safe as I can doing something which is potentially not safe (ironic...I know)
 
LittleGiant said:
Good shit man. Sounds like solid advice...that's kind of like Swales hcg protocol right? I'll go that route instead then. As bad as it sounds the way I look at it is I've pretty much already reached my genetic potential and I realize that my endocrine system isn't fully matured at 21 but for how serious I am about taking this as far as I can I can't afford to wait 5 or 6 more years with minimal progress. After a few years of cycling I will probably end up blasting and cruising as it would be the only way I will be able to maintain the mass but anything can change and by no means am I saying that's definite...I've been researching aas for quite a few years and just want to be as safe as I can doing something which is potentially not safe (ironic...I know)
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Hey man i aint hatin'. Youve done a lot of work and thats obvious, there a shit ton of guys who are jumpin on the juice without half the muscle you have. So its good to see someones who put some time under a bar rather than use juice to get under it
 
HCG after cycle not during. Do it for the whole cycle and your gonna have some if not significant LH desensitization. In Lloyds book he advices against using for more than 17 days to avoid this so 14 weeks is bad mmmmkay. Makes sense if you ask me. The reason we cycle off test/roids is because our body (Androgen receptors and such) become desensitized to it, apart from long term health issues. Might make restoring LH even harder bc you'll be shut down and desensitized to LH. Also, if you do it the right way you most likely will be fine. I'm 19 and have seen at least 6 dumb sh*ts doing oral only cycle of Dbol or PH's at 16-18 years old and not even knowing what PCT is***8230;. Steroids get a bad rap for the youngun's bc most of them don't know what the hell they're dong. Your 21, odds are your done developing and at that age recovery is at lot easier than a 40 year old's. Personally I feel a 14 week cycle for a 21 year old is like an 10-12 weaker for the older folk. Our bodies are just younger and recover much faster IMO. Kinda like how kids can drink themselves into a coma and go at it again the next day, but when your middle aged that doesn't happen (unless your an alcoholic :P)
 
BUT, there's always the tiny chance you'll be back in 20 weeks with a different user name posting about how you can't get a stiffy and find women disgusting. Best of luck
 
If I were you I would only run test. Reason being that you don't know how your body will respond and off you have two drugs in there and get sides you won't know which dug is causing it. Save the other one for next cycle. If I'm not mistaken that is oral tren...You do not want to run tren your first cycle. Trust me. Great physique. You'll look great after a test cycle. Then start to add one compound at a time for each following cycle
 
Obvious he has been lifting seriously for awhile and working hard. It's really his decision alone and I like how it was handle. Jesus I love this board. When is the meet and greet?
 
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