First PH Cycle Upcoming (would appreciate input)

[Mikell90]

Hey guys, new user here, new to actually having a forum account that is.

Twenty five years old, casual lifter for more than three years, 170 lbs in the morning, 8.5% bf.

Came here to get advice about starting my first cycle because regardless of how much time I have spent looking up all the right information I'd still like to talk about it a little bit and maybe get some opinions.

I've considered a SARMS cycle since it is my first but honestly the lack of information except from vendors has me very wary. Also, I know the gains are not nearly as explosive.

Drum roll... Nabbed for my first cycle a mix of superdrol/tren 10/45mg respectively. These came together so the option of just taking one isn't really an option..

Chose this one because a friend who had done a few finaflex cycles suggested it.

Actual compounds are 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol and 19-Norandrosta-4,9 diene-3,17 dione.

I bought it as a stack with an AI and cycle care, also have nolva on the way.

My question is not having done cycles before do you think my liver being fresh can handle these compounds mixed together?

Also, I've heard so many arguments about SERM vs AI it makes my head hurt. I've been told on a cycle such as this you MUST finish with a SERM, out of curiosity how should I use or what should I do with my AI?

They gave me 90 capsules.. that would be a 45 day cycle if I'm not mistaken? I've heard tell that you should not run this cycle more than four weeks. Opinion?

I see some people mixing test boosters in their cycles as well, something I should knab? Seemed a bit overkill

Anyone taking this type of tren or superdrol know which sides they experienced the worst? Hair loss doesn't run in my family so meh, a little acne doesn't bother me either, never actually had it. Gyno scares the shit out of me though lol.

My cycle care has
TUDCA 25mg
Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione 25mg
ZMA 137.50mg
Hawthorn Berry 150mg
Celery Seed 37.50mg
Saw Palmetto 110mg
N Acetyl L Cysteine 50mg
Milk Thistle 100mg
Pantothenic Acid(vit B-5) 5mg

My AI has
Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione`12.50mg
Mucuna Puriens 100mg,
Tribulus Terrestris 5mg
ZMA 6.50mg
Vitamin B6 1mg
Horny Goat Weed 12.50mg
Piperine 1mg
Quercetin 10mg
NAC 50mg
Indole-3-Carbinol 12.50mg
D Aspartic Acid 150mg
Fenugreek 50mg

I made myself a plan for both my workouts and my meals to follow so this is not something I'm doing half assed, I also plan to start a thread to track my progress once I begin my four week cycle. Kinda thinking I don't want to start until December just so I can read more and make sure I literally have everything I will need. Either way it will be a daily thing with weekly picture updates.

Open to all serious suggestions and knowledge, I know many of you guys are incredibly experienced in dealing with some of these compounds.


Stuff like extras to take other than liver care, joint health, vitamins, fish oil and other stuff that I already have been taking for a while except the liver care. Anything you may think I should read, look at, or know. Not interested in doing this in an oblivious manner and endangering my health. Oddly enough, the friends I have who have cycled refuse to discuss their experiences and want to say "oh don't do it just keep lifting normally.."

Will edit if something else comes to mind.

 

[cybrsage]

Three major issues!

1. Your AI is not actually an AI, it is a bunch of herbs and such that mostly do the same thing as your cycle care. You need a real AI, such as Adex or Aromisen.
2. This will horribly shut down your natural testosterone creation and you did not list that you are going to be taking an testosterone injections while on the cycle. Testosterone should be the base of any and all cycles.
3. You have no PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) listed. Once your natural test production is shut down, you need to jump start it to make it start working again or you are screwed for life. You need a PCT regimen to do after your cycle is over.

One Minor Issue

1. How do you know you are 8.5% body fat? I am always wary when someone gives such a low number as they are usually not correct (many times they are far off!). Post a picture, please.

 

[Ziegler]

This isn't an AI and some of that stuff like The Tribulus might even give you gyno.

Don't waste your time on a PH cycle. The only thing missing from this witches brew are bed knobs and broom sticks.

My AI has
Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione`12.50mg
Mucuna Puriens 100mg,
Tribulus Terrestris 5mg
ZMA 6.50mg
Vitamin B6 1mg
Horny Goat Weed 12.50mg
Piperine 1mg
Quercetin 10mg
NAC 50mg
Indole-3-Carbinol 12.50mg
D Aspartic Acid 150mg
Fenugreek 50mg

The best advise is to go natural but if your heart set on a cycle do an AAS cycle.

500mg/wk Test Cyp or Enanthate (pin 250mg every 3.5 days) for 10 weeks
.25mg Arimidex EOD for 13 weeks
250iu pf hCG every 3.5 days (pin at same time as Test) for 13 weeks

Start PCT in week 14. Use Clomid and Nolva. I will let other guys chime in on PCT dosages by week, but note that PCT should not include hCG as it is HPTA suppressive.

Keep Raloxifene on hand in case signs of Gynecomastia appear.

Read the link in Megatron28 signature for info on getting pre, mid and post-cycle blood work. http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

Donate blood before cycle and on cycle to manage hematocrit.

 

[Mikell90]

Thanks for the feedback guys, this is why I posted, not really interested in beginning without being close to 100% on everything.

This isn't an AI and some of that stuff like The Tribulus might even give you gyno.

Don't waste your time on a PH cycle. The only thing missing from this witches brew are bed knobs and broom sticks.



The best advise is to go natural but if your heart set on a cycle do an AAS cycle.

I felt like the AI/PCT they gave me was shit which is why I asked about it, I have 60 20m tabs of nolva though. I'll kick the PCT they gave me and just stick with nolva. I wouldn't know where to procure a true AAS cycle and the whole needle thing really makes me uneasy.

Three major issues!

1. Your AI is not actually an AI, it is a bunch of herbs and such that mostly do the same thing as your cycle care. You need a real AI, such as Adex or Aromisen.
2. This will horribly shut down your natural testosterone creation and you did not list that you are going to be taking an testosterone injections while on the cycle. Testosterone should be the base of any and all cycles.
3. You have no PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) listed. Once your natural test production is shut down, you need to jump start it to make it start working again or you are screwed for life. You need a PCT regimen to do after your cycle is over.

One Minor Issue

1. How do you know you are 8.5% body fat? I am always wary when someone gives such a low number as they are usually not correct (many times they are far off!). Post a picture, please.

Once again I figured it was garbage, I did make a slight mention I have nolva in my post though! Do I still need to find a real AI if I have 60 tabs of 20mg nolva?

I've never seen mention of test injections while on a PH cycle? I've seen people talk about test boosters and I have that, already on a cycle of it at the moment actually. Could you elaborate your suggestion a little more please?

My PCT will be nolva, milk thistle, etc. anything else you guys suggest. I know some people say nolva and clomid but clomid can have nasty sides and seems to unpredictable to me, I honestly feel like more people promote nolva for PCT; at least in the case of a PCT for prohormones.

I had a 7 point skin caliper test performed, and I mean aesthetically I can believe that I am somewhere within the suggested region but you can judge for yourself.

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[Ziegler]

My PCT will be nolva, milk thistle, etc. anything else you guys suggest. I know some people say nolva and clomid but clomid can have nasty sides and seems to unpredictable to me, I honestly feel like more people promote nolva for PCT; at least in the case of a PCT for prohormones.

Milk thistle is not a pct drug it's a liver protector of some sort. Your going to need clomid & nolva for proper pct.

 

[Mikell90]

Milk thistle is not a pct drug it's a liver protector of some sort. Your going to need clomid & nolva for proper pct.

Yeah I just figured it might be a good idea to keep taking it post cycle since my liver will have been under a lot of stress previously and now be filtering my nolva. And shucks I guess I need to order some clomid as well.. Just heard some bad reps about it messing with stuff like eyesight. Thanks for the help Mike I appreciate it man

 

[Ziegler]

Yeah I just figured it might be a good idea to keep taking it post cycle since my liver will have been under a lot of stress previously and now be filtering my nolva. And shucks I guess I need to order some clomid as well.. Just heard some bad reps about it messing with stuff like eyesight. Thanks for the help Mike I appreciate it man

No worries sir. So lets review that facts.

Your going to run a mix of superdrol/tren 10/45mg respectively with an AI of Armidex or Aromisen. PCT clomid & nolvadex.

I'm not an expert on this kind of a cycle. Lets see what Halfwit and or Megatron think about dosing & duration.

 

[Mikell90]

No worries sir. So lets review that facts.

Your going to run a mix of superdrol/tren 10/45mg respectively with an AI of Armidex or Aromisen. PCT clomid & nolvadex.

I'm not an expert on this kind of a cycle. Lets see what Halfwit and or Megatron thinks about dosing & duration.

Sounds about right, just ordered my clomid and aromisen.

Would love to hear their feedback for dosing of both the AI and clomid/nolva as well. I literally only found one instance of another person doing this exact cycle and it wasn't detailed at all. I've read countless threads on the subject but both are highly dependent on the stack, dose, and length.

Oh and just to add in, I have 90 doses at two a day for 45 days. Not sure if I want to do risk six weeks though, I'm thinking a solid four.

 

[Ziegler]

Sounds about right, just ordered my clomid and aromisen.

Would love to hear their feedback for dosing of both the AI and clomid/nolva as well. I literally only found one instance of another person doing this exact cycle and it wasn't detailed at all. I've read countless threads on the subject but both are highly dependent on the stack, dose, and length.

Oh and just to add in, I have 90 doses at two a day for 45 days. Not sure if I want to do risk six weeks though, I'm thinking a solid four.

Don't order anymore stuff till we get this whole thing outlined and approved by an expert on PH's.

 

[halfwit]

Three major issues!

1. Your AI is not actually an AI, it is a bunch of herbs and such that mostly do the same thing as your cycle care. You need a real AI, such as Adex or Aromisen.
2. This will horribly shut down your natural testosterone creation and you did not list that you are going to be taking an testosterone injections while on the cycle. Testosterone should be the base of any and all cycles.
3. You have no PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) listed. Once your natural test production is shut down, you need to jump start it to make it start working again or you are screwed for life. You need a PCT regimen to do after your cycle is over.

One Minor Issue

1. How do you know you are 8.5% body fat? I am always wary when someone gives such a low number as they are usually not correct (many times they are far off!). Post a picture, please.

Absolutely agree with this. Oral tren (if real) doesn't aromatize, nor does superdrol - BUT if you want to do this properly, you SHOULD have a testosterone base as your body will stop making it on its own.

I would use a real AI with test, as that will aromatize. You don't need a lot, but at least enough to replace what you're going to be lacking. I also would not run those for longer than 6 weeks MAX, as they're both really hard on the liver, even with liver protection. NAC (one of the active ingredients in your cycle support) is dirt cheap, and should be run at 1500-2400mg during the use of orals.

Being uneasy with injections is normal; it's not natural to pierce the body with little steel knives, but after the first few times, it's hardly a passing thought. I strongly recommend you spend some time reading the FAQ thread at the top of the AAS forum, so you understand WHY I'm telling you these things. The better educated you are, the more successful your cycles will be.

Oh, and clomid with nolva is the best method of running a proper PCT. That too is covered in the FAQ thread, as well as dosing. Both of which are but a click away from the lion at the top of your screen.

My .02c

 

[Ziegler]

Oh yep see that Mikell. Your gunna need testosterone. Forget about the PH cycle. Go with a testosterone cycle. Its basic standard issue.

Testosterone as a first cycle plain and simple.

 

[Yjyankee]

I'm with you guys 100% on using test as a base, or running a test only cycle. However, not everybody has access to a reliable source. I've run both with no test base and with proper pct, recovered fine. Would it be better with test? Absolutely!!!

Do some more research and in the meantime, try & find a source. It would be a much better cycle for you.