First tren cycle. Want to hear inputs.

[lazzaron]

Hi guys,

I am doing my first tren cycle, first of all I'll start by showing my personal stats.


Personal stats
Age: 22
Height: 180cm
Weight: 95kg
Fat: 12%


Previous cycle
I have done one cycle before, this was a test + mast cycle.

I did 500mg test ew and 210mg mast ew with 0.5mg arimidex EOD and a PCT for about 4 weeks with Nolva+Clomid.


This cycle
Ok, so this is what I got planned for this cycle.

Main compounds
- 300mg tren ace, EW
- 500mg test prop, EW
- 210mg mast diprop, EW

I will pin all of theese EOD.

AI's
- Cabergoline (considering that tren is a progestin, I will use this as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) against prolactin)
- Arimidex (will use this as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) against estrogen, but not much, considering I am doing mast as well)

Extra for cycle
- Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (not sure how much yet, would love input on this if u got any)
- Cycle Assist or N2Guard (cycle support)

PCT
- Clomid (considering taking this only the two first weeks, something like 100mg ED, first week, then 50mg ED the second week)
- Nolvadex (taking this for 4-5 weeks, 40mg ED week 1 and week 2, then reduce it to 20mg ED the rest of the weeks)


Questions
Okay so the things I am curious about is the following:

- I've red that I should do Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while on cycle, and end it after the first week on post cycle therapy (pct)? Any input on this?
- What dosage would you recommend for my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), arimidex and caber?
- Is the PCT ok, or should I increase/decrease the dosage of any of the mentioned substances.
- Is the mg amount of tren EW good considering the amount of mg test EW?



Looking forward for your feedback guys, don't hate on me if you think this cycle is rediculous or anything.

I am posting this so I can hear what you think about it, and do changes that you think are necessary

 

[lazzaron]

Anyone? :/ I would really love some inputs on this before I start the cycle.

 

[Pinkbear]

Try posting this in the main forum. Many more people to give answers there Anabolic Steroid Forum

 

[lazzaron]

Thanks, I'll try that.

EDIT: I can't seem to be able to post there. Any minimum required posts for this?

 

[Pinkbear]

Hmm i don't know. Maybe it mite be like 50.

 

[Pinkbear]

Or if you just made the acct you may have to wait to be approved

 

[lazzaron]

Hi guys,

I am doing my first tren cycle, first of all I'll start by showing my personal stats.


Personal stats
Age: 22
Height: 180cm
Weight: 95kg
Fat: 12%


Previous cycle
I have done one cycle before, this was a test + mast cycle.

I did 500mg test ew and 210mg mast ew with 0.5mg arimidex EOD and a PCT for about 4 weeks with Nolva+Clomid.


This cycle
Ok, so this is what I got planned for this cycle.

Main compounds
- 300mg tren ace, EW
- 500mg test enan, EW
- 210mg mast diprop, EW

I will pin tren ace ED.
I will pin test enan 2 times EW.
I will pin mast diprop 2-3 times EW (not sure yet).


AI's
- Cabergoline (considering that tren is a progestin, I will use this as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) against prolactin)
- Arimidex (will use this as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) against estrogen, but not much, considering I am doing mast as well)

Extra for cycle
- Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (not sure how much yet, would love input on this if u got any)
- Cycle Assist or N2Guard (cycle support)

PCT
- Clomid (considering taking this only the two first weeks, something like 100mg ED, first week, then 50mg ED the second week)
- Nolvadex (taking this for 4-5 weeks, 40mg ED week 1 and week 2, then reduce it to 20mg ED the rest of the weeks)


Questions
Okay so the things I am curious about is the following:

- I've read that I should do Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while on cycle, and end it after the first week on pct? Any input on this?
- What dosage would you recommend for my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), arimidex and caber?
- Is the PCT ok, or should I increase/decrease the dosage of any of the mentioned substances.
- Is the mg amount of tren EW good considering the amount of mg test EW?
- How often do you think I should pin the mast?
- Considering that the test is long acting and tren is fast acting should I start with test about 4 weeks before tren, and stop using the test around 4 weeks before I stop tren? And then start the PCT just a couple of days after tren?



Looking forward for your feedback guys, don't hate on me if you think this cycle is rediculous or anything.

I am posting this so I can hear what you think about it, and do changes that you think are necessary

 

[underpsi]

always interesting, the debate on test/tren. for ME. i was able to use up to 700mg wk tren a with zero sides (not first time using tren) using low dose of test. kinda the old school of thought. let tren do the work, use test to maintain sexual function ect. only did 400 mg wk test while 700mg tren.
not an expert by any means, don't know all the science. just sharing what works for me and what i read before i did .

 

[gram of tren]

I also advocate low test higher tren. if I was you id just go test prop and tren ace. test at like 300ish/week and tren around 500.

 

[Maintenance Man]

Sooooo on your 2nd cycle you're going to use tren ED? Plus never having experienced a 19nor steroid before? Sounds like quite a jump in cycle experience if you ask me. Don't think tren is quite the answer here but to each their own.

Also Caber isn't an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Its a dopamine agonist/prolactin antagonizer. Quite two different things.

 

[gram of tren]

Sooooo on your 2nd cycle you're going to use tren ED? Plus never having experienced a 19nor steroid before? Sounds like quite a jump in cycle experience if you ask me. Don't think tren is quite the answer here but to each their own.

Also Caber isn't an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Its a dopamine agonist/prolactin antagonizer. Quite two different things.

im curious why tren isn't ok for a second cycle? what makes it ok for a 4th cycle as opposed to a 2nd cycle? I understand test only is best at first. see how you handle test and if you get sides we know where its coming from, etc. 2nd cycle guys usually throw in a second compound. I don't see an issue with throwing in tren, deca, dbol, anavar, etc along with the test.

 

[DipKing]

im curious why tren isn't ok for a second cycle? what makes it ok for a 4th cycle as opposed to a 2nd cycle? I understand test only is best at first. see how you handle test and if you get sides we know where its coming from, etc. 2nd cycle guys usually throw in a second compound. I don't see an issue with throwing in tren, deca, dbol, anavar, etc along with the test.

In my honest opinion, I don't see a problem with an experienced natural weightlifter, who has a competent diet and training schedule, and is very dedicated to what he does, taking tren early on. It's a powerful compound, but only if she's utilized to her full capacity and rammed for all she's got. Lots of beginners want to take tren for fast gains, yet they would probably get the same results on a test only cycle because they don't have the experience to have a structured training regiment or competent diet. Most tren comes as tren ace, and lot of beginners suck at pinning every day or every other day and end up developing scar tissue because they keep pinning their quads or glutes in the same spots 3x a week. Just my .02 cents though

 

[gram of tren]

I guess the eod pinning can be a bit for a newbie, good point.

 

[bigkit34]

0Maybe i missed it but i don't see your cycle length anywhere. As far as your questions clomid needs to be ran the whole pct at 100/100/50/50 and hcg from wk 1 250iu 2x per week

 

[Maintenance Man]

im curious why tren isn't ok for a second cycle? what makes it ok for a 4th cycle as opposed to a 2nd cycle? I understand test only is best at first. see how you handle test and if you get sides we know where its coming from, etc. 2nd cycle guys usually throw in a second compound. I don't see an issue with throwing in tren, deca, dbol, anavar, etc along with the test.

Its quite an advanced steroid for one. Its very well known to cause some of the worst sides in AAS...depending on the individual of course. There are many other steroids out there that will give you plenty of experience into the AAS world without having to take such a big jump. As well as bring you the goals that u desire based of training and diet.

Its just not something recommended to beginning steroid user. Its like buying your son a 69 hemi cuda for his 1st car. Can he drive it?? Most likely and prolly have a shit ton of fun doing it. Will he eventually do something stupid in it and fuck it up?? Most likely. Not to say the OP is stupid but people don't know what to expect and if you haven't noticed, tren is on quite the pedestal for a reason.

But you are gram of tren so I wouldn't think you have any fear in this subject lol. Others should have a lil tho

 

[Maintenance Man]

I guess the eod pinning can be a bit for a newbie, good point.

Oh no...he said EVERY DAY. That's quite a fucking jump from pinning 2x a week test E LOL

 

[OnlyTheGreat]

In my honest opinion, I don't see a problem with an experienced natural weightlifter, who has a competent diet and training schedule, and is very dedicated to what he does, taking tren early on. It's a powerful compound, but only if she's utilized to her full capacity and rammed for all she's got. Lots of beginners want to take tren for fast gains, yet they would probably get the same results on a test only cycle because they don't have the experience to have a structured training regiment or competent diet. Most tren comes as tren ace, and lot of beginners suck at pinning every day or every other day and end up developing scar tissue because they keep pinning their quads or glutes in the same spots 3x a week. Just my .02 cents though

what if you rotate 6 spots? say left delt, left glute, right delt, right glute, left quad, right quad. or will that not be enough? would you recommend adding ventro glutes and pecs too? i'm very interested and i'm sure it will help OP too

 

[lazzaron]

Wow, thanks for the feedback guys, never expected this amount of interest in my thread.

I also advocate low test higher tren. if I was you id just go test prop and tren ace. test at like 300ish/week and tren around 500.

I have red that many think it's good doing tren higher then test so you make tren the primary anabolic, but I've also heard that running tren higher then test will make you lose some of the gains after a cycle? Any inputs on this? As multiple in this thread means that I should run tren higher, I will absolutely reconsider this.

Sooooo on your 2nd cycle you're going to use tren ED? Plus never having experienced a 19nor steroid before? Sounds like quite a jump in cycle experience if you ask me. Don't think tren is quite the answer here but to each their own.

Also Caber isn't an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Its a dopamine agonist/prolactin antagonizer. Quite two different things.

I am preparing myself to feel like a needle pillow, but I am considering pinning EOD but is it major changes for the blood levels or is this very individual, any inputs? About me running tren on my second cycle, I know this is quite a strong compoung and thats why I am doing all this research first, because I want to feel confident with the knowledge I've got when I am doing a cycle like this. And this is also why I am running tren ace, cause I have no idea how my body will react to this and if I get any sides, so I can easily get off.

I didn't know that Caber was a dopamine, thanks for the information. Always learning something new

0Maybe i missed it but i don't see your cycle length anywhere. As far as your questions clomid needs to be ran the whole pct at 100/100/50/50 and hcg from wk 1 250iu 2x per week

I am not sure yet about the cycle length, I was thinking mainly 8-10 weeks, what do you guys think? My last test+mast cycle was 15 weeks (maybe a bit too long). Btw, thanks for the hcg dosage info.


EDIT: Btw, I have been working out for over 5 years, and my first cycle was test+mast cycle in May this year. So it's not like this is my fourth month in the gym and jumping right from test to test+tren cycle.

 

[Maintenance Man]

I am preparing myself to feel like a needle pillow, but I am considering pinning EOD but is it major changes for the blood levels or is this very individual, any inputs? About me running tren on my second cycle, I know this is quite a strong compoung and thats why I am doing all this research first, because I want to feel confident with the knowledge I've got when I am doing a cycle like this. And this is also why I am running tren ace, cause I have no idea how my body will react to this and if I get any sides, so I can easily get off.

I didn't know that Caber was a dopamine, thanks for the information. Always learning something new

Pinning EOD as opposed to ED is going to create more stable levels, yes. Its widely regarded being used EOD without taking away from the steroids efficacy as well.

Id start EOD imo just to get used to the pinning frequency. If you feel like that's a cakewalk, then ED is probably fine.

You're welcome welcome. Glad to share info when I can

 

[Not BIG Enough]

Hi guys,

I am doing my first tren cycle, first of all I'll start by showing my personal stats.


Personal stats
Age: 22
Height: 180cm
Weight: 95kg
Fat: 12%


Previous cycle
I have done one cycle before, this was a test + mast cycle.

I did 500mg test ew and 210mg mast ew with 0.5mg arimidex EOD and a post cycle therapy (pct) for about 4 weeks with Nolva+Clomid.


This cycle
Ok, so this is what I got planned for this cycle.

Main compounds
- 300mg tren ace, EW
- 500mg test enan, EW
- 210mg mast diprop, EW

I will pin tren ace ED.
I will pin test enan 2 times EW.
I will pin mast diprop 2-3 times EW (not sure yet).


AI's
- Cabergoline (considering that tren is a progestin, I will use this as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) against prolactin)
- Arimidex (will use this as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) against estrogen, but not much, considering I am doing mast as well)

Extra for cycle
- Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (not sure how much yet, would love input on this if u got any)
- Cycle Assist or N2Guard (cycle support)

PCT
- Clomid (considering taking this only the two first weeks, something like 100mg ED, first week, then 50mg ED the second week)
- Nolvadex (taking this for 4-5 weeks, 40mg ED week 1 and week 2, then reduce it to 20mg ED the rest of the weeks)


Questions
Okay so the things I am curious about is the following:

- I've read that I should do Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while on cycle, and end it after the first week on pct? Any input on this?
- What dosage would you recommend for my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), arimidex and caber?
- Is the post cycle therapy (pct) ok, or should I increase/decrease the dosage of any of the mentioned substances.
- Is the mg amount of tren EW good considering the amount of mg test EW?
- How often do you think I should pin the mast?
- Considering that the test is long acting and tren is fast acting should I start with test about 4 weeks before tren, and stop using the test around 4 weeks before I stop tren? And then start the post cycle therapy (pct) just a couple of days after tren?



Looking forward for your feedback guys, don't hate on me if you think this cycle is rediculous or anything.

I am posting this so I can hear what you think about it, and do changes that you think are necessary

Same cycle im doing right now exept im using aromasin and prami. You're gonna really enjoy this one.