Gyno Problem

[sgtpepper88]

Hi guys,

Started a Test E cycle at 500mg a week almost 3 weeks ago (tomorrow will be my third jab) and I am starting to develop gyno, I do not have a lump behind my nipple, not really sensitive and not itchy at all.

I have Liquid Dex at hand and Nolva, I ordered Letro the other day but that may take awhile. This was my first cycle so i didn't run the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with it but now I know I am gyno prone. What dosages should I be taking for the Nolva and dex?

I just took 40mg of Nolva just then and plan to do that for the next 3 days then taper off to 30mg for 3 days then jsut keep it at 20mg, is that okay?

I am 5 '11 and 198lbs training for about 4 years now.


PCT plan was to take Nolva/Arimidex 3 weeks after my last jab but this may not be the case anymore.

How about for PCT:
Clomid : 100/50/50/50 mg
Nolvadex : 40/40/20/20 mg
Aromasin : 10/10/10/10 mg

 

[NastyNate500]

1. You are almost 2 weeks in to your cycle, not 3. You haven't pinned your third yet.
2. You should be breaking up 500mg of test E into two pins each week, not one.
3. You are not developing gyno at this point. Your cycle likely hasn't even kicked in yet. Enanthate is a long ester.
4. You said that you don't have a lump behind your nipple, they're not sensitive, and they don't itch. So why do you assume you have gyno?
5. Letro is serious business for estro control. I recommend you use the LiquiDex that you have. I don't know why you ordered Letro anyway since you already have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand. Letro should be a last resort or for those who are severely gyno prone. You can easily rid yourself of any and all estrogen in your body which is not what you want to do.
6. You are taking Nolva, a SERM, during your cycle. This is not what you want to do. You need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Nolva and Clomid are for post cycle therapy (pct). They are not for gyno prevention. They are to help your body safely and effectively recover once your cycle ends.
7. You say you were planning on Nolva/Arimidex for your post cycle therapy (pct), but you listed Aromasin. These are not the same thing. They serve the same purpose, but dosing is different.
8. Your post cycle therapy (pct) is poorly planned as well. Clomid should be 50/50/50/50 and Nolva should be 20/20/10/10/10/10. Keep the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) through your post cycle therapy (pct) though. It's a good idea.

You clearly haven't done much research for this cycle. With 1 post, I'm not very surprised. You need to get your shit straight before you start popping pills and shooting oils into your muscles.

 

[sgtpepper88]

Hey buddy, thank you for the response.

1. You are almost 2 weeks in to your cycle, not 3. You haven't pinned your third yet.
Pinned today.

2. You should be breaking up 500mg of test E into two pins each week, not one.
Why is that?

3. You are not developing gyno at this point. Your cycle likely hasn't even kicked in yet. Enanthate is a long ester.
4. You said that you don't have a lump behind your nipple, they're not sensitive, and they don't itch. So why do you assume you have gyno?
I did state it as actually not really sensitive meaning it is a little bit. But it isn't itchy. I think I am developing gyno because of how puffy my nipple area is actually getting. My nipples are quite droopy now and around my nipple has become saggier. Is that gyno?

5. Letro is serious business for estro control. I recommend you use the LiquiDex that you have. I don't know why you ordered Letro anyway since you already have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand. Letro should be a last resort or for those who are severely gyno prone. You can easily rid yourself of any and all estrogen in your body which is not what you want to do.
I got told to have letro on hand just in case Liquidex doesn't work.

6. You are taking Nolva, a SERM, during your cycle. This is not what you want to do. You need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Nolva and Clomid are for post cycle therapy (pct). They are not for gyno prevention. They are to help your body safely and effectively recover once your cycle ends.
I wasn't planning to take a SERM during cycle, but I have searched around and noticed that Nolva will stop the gyno from getting worse and I will be taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with this.

7. You say you were planning on Nolva/Arimidex for your post cycle therapy (pct), but you listed Aromasin. These are not the same thing. They serve the same purpose, but dosing is different.
I read somewhere that Arimidex run with Nolva for post cycle therapy (pct), Nolva may reduce the effectiveness of the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (in this case: Arimidex).

8. Your post cycle therapy (pct) is poorly planned as well. Clomid should be 50/50/50/50 and Nolva should be 20/20/10/10/10/10. Keep the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) through your post cycle therapy (pct) though. It's a good idea.
Thanks for the advice, will be taking that on board.

 

[NastyNate500]

Yes, you pinned today. Your third pin. Which means you have just finished week 2. Which means the testosterone has just barely started to effect you. Which means you don't have gyno from it yet.

You should break up the pins to keep your T levels as consistent as possible.

A lot of people think they have gyno when they really don't. With a cycle of Test E, it's common to see gyno around week 4-6 if someone is prone to it.

Letro is fine if you need it, but I wouldn't use it unless necessary. It's too easy to get rid of too much estrogen with it.

Drop the SERM during cycle. You need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), not a SERM. A SERM during cycle will decrease your gains. An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) with proper dosing will get rid of and prevent gyno.

Arimidex is fine for post cycle therapy (pct). I just wanted to note that you mentioned Arimidex and Aromasin as though they are the same. They aren't. They are dosed differently.

I don't know the dosing in LiquiDex so I can't help you there. Hopefully someone will chime in on that.

 

[DADAWG]

you either allready had gyno and didnt realize it or you have internet paranoia.im guessing internet paranoia , i had 1 guy swear he had severe gyno the afternoon of his 1st injection lol.

 

[sgtpepper88]

I've never had gyno, I've been skinny my up until I started working out at the gym. But from the last couple of days, I've seen that around my nipple area has started to sag a little, my nipples are droopier and they are more sensitive today then yesterday.

Say if it were gyno, what are the doses of Arimidex(Liquidex)?

Can someone also help me out with the proper dosing of Liquidex during cycle?

 

[DADAWG]

I've never had gyno, I've been skinny my up until I started working out at the gym. But from the last couple of days, I've seen that around my nipple area has started to sag a little, my nipples are droopier and they are more sensitive today then yesterday.

Say if it were gyno, what are the doses of Arimidex(Liquidex)?

Can someone also help me out with the proper dosing of Liquidex during cycle?

.25 mg every day . aromasin would be better at 12.5-25 mg a day.

 

[cokezero]

Hey man take the liquidex at .25mg every other day. you can go up to .50mgs eod if needed but start at .25. Like they said above try to avoid the letro if possible. And Dawg is right either you already had gyno or you don't have it now. Keep an eye on it around week 5 but run the liquidex through your entire cycle including post cycle therapy (pct). you'll be fine. quit freaking out, eat and train. I promise you wont die.

 

[sgtpepper88]

.25 mg every day . aromasin would be better at 12.5-25 mg a day.

Thanks for that, my buddy has Aromasin, if you think it is better, I can easily just buy that and sell the Liquidex back to him.

What do you think?

 

[sgtpepper88]

Hey man take the liquidex at .25mg every other day. you can go up to .50mgs eod if needed but start at .25. Like they said above try to avoid the letro if possible. And Dawg is right either you already had gyno or you don't have it now. Keep an eye on it around week 5 but run the liquidex through your entire cycle including post cycle therapy (pct). you'll be fine. quit freaking out, eat and train. I promise you wont die.

Thanks buddy. You think .25mg EOD but DADAWH reckons .25mg ED. A bit confused here.

 

[DADAWG]

Thanks buddy. You think .25mg EOD but DADAWH reckons .25mg ED. A bit confused here.

its 1 pill a day to keep blood levels more stable , its a no brainer to me.
if .25 a day is to much then take .125 a day , its still better to keep blood levels stable.

 

[sgtpepper88]

its 1 pill a day to keep blood levels more stable , its a no brainer to me.
if .25 a day is to much then take .125 a day , its still better to keep blood levels stable.

Okay cheers, I'm taking Liquidex so I'll be drinking it.

Also would you recommend Aromasin over Arimidex for PCT?

 

[DADAWG]

Okay cheers, I'm taking Liquidex so I'll be drinking it.

Also would you recommend Aromasin over Arimidex for post cycle therapy (pct)?

arimidex does not belong in post cycle therapy (pct) . clomid and or nolva for sure and maybe throw in aromasin.

 

[sgtpepper88]

arimidex does not belong in post cycle therapy (pct) . clomid and or nolva for sure and maybe throw in aromasin.

Okay, I'll buy some Liquidstane as well. What are the doses to you think for post cycle therapy (pct)?

I should post cycle therapy (pct) generally 3-4 weeks after my last jab right? What if I start developing gyno symptons during that 3-4 period?

 

[NastyNate500]

Start post cycle therapy (pct) 2 weeks after last Test pin.

 

[DADAWG]

Okay, I'll buy some Liquidstane as well. What are the doses to you think for PCT?

I should post cycle therapy (pct) generally 3-4 weeks after my last jab right? What if I start developing gyno symptons during that 3-4 period?

start clomid / nolva 2 weeks after last injection of eth . you can take the aromasin all the way from the cycle until after post cycle therapy (pct) ends.

 

[sgtpepper88]

Okay, thanks a lot guys.

 

[sgtpepper88]

start clomid / nolva 2 weeks after last injection of eth . you can take the aromasin all the way from the cycle until after post cycle therapy (pct) ends.

I won't be able to get my hands on Aromasin for another 2 weeks.

So would this work:

Arimidex while on cycle and immediately start Aromasin the next day after last pin?

 

[sgtpepper88]

bump.