Hair loss

magnumdivr

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Hi I have been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for about 10 months. My hair has been getting very thin and receding. I went to the urologist and he was very matter of fact that it is a side affect. He said he would give me a script for propecia but insurance wont cover it. I asked about Avadart because I read some people have had good results with it and it could regrow some of the recently lost hair and insurance pays for it. He told me he has no problem with that but it has not been tested for hair loss but agrees it should stop the hair loss but will not regrow any lost hair. Does anybody have any experience with Avadart and is there anything else I should know or ask?
 
i personally don't attack it internally since DHT is a needed male hormone, i use a ketoconazole based shampoo to simple destroy the DHT in the scalp, since that is what causes androgenic alopecia
 
Here, ketoconazole based shampoo is medically used to prevent dandruff as well as it is an azole antifungal that work to preventing the growth of fungus.
 
Hi I have been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for about 10 months. My hair has been getting very thin and receding. I went to the urologist and he was very matter of fact that it is a side affect. He said he would give me a script for propecia but insurance wont cover it. I asked about Avadart because I read some people have had good results with it and it could regrow some of the recently lost hair and insurance pays for it. He told me he has no problem with that but it has not been tested for hair loss but agrees it should stop the hair loss but will not regrow any lost hair. Does anybody have any experience with Avadart and is there anything else I should know or ask?

So far I have not found a solution to hair loss while on TRT.
 
Update... I have been on the Avadart for 2 1/2 months and using minoxidil at the same time. it has been working well for the hair loss. I went through a lot of shedding that has slowed down a lot the hair is comming back slowly. Here is the problem I am having sexual side affects from the Adadart so I am now looking to go off of that and looking for a good shampoo that may work. I feel like one step foward two steps back.
 
My Dr. prescribed me Propecia. On the third refill I complained to the pharmacist about the price. He stated to request my Dr. to prescribe finasteride. He stated finasteride was to treat men for prostate problems which should make it even easier to obtain since you are already on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Men taking finasteride starting reporting thicker hair which brought about Propecia. Pharmacist stated the only difference is that finasteride only comes in 4or5 mg. I don't remember. Anyhow I took his advice & Dr. agreed to do such with a little caution. I ended up saving approximately $90.00 a month by switching. Yes I did see good results but my insurance changed down the road & I quit using it. Fortunately I have a nice round head & the shaved head look works for me. Good luck guys & I hope this was helpful. Forgot to mention of course you would take in 1/4th's or 1/5th's.
 
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There are two 5 alpha reductase enzymes in the body. Propecia blocks one, and avodart (dutasteride) blocks both. The difference if I remember correctly, Propecia blocks 60-80% DHT by blocking the 5AR enzyme and avodart blocks over 90. The good and bad is you NEED DHT in you. It's a very important male hormone. I wouldn't ever recomend avodart. I used it and got major ED sides

For the OP your doc most likely prescribed 5mg proscar which is the same thing but you need to split the pill into quarters. Also .5mg EOD has shown in studies to be just as effective as 1mg ED
 
My two cents...

My hairline had started to recede about 3 years ago, so I took action. I was put on Finasteride (1/4 of the 5mg tablets) QD, with a topical lotion to block the other 30% of the 5AR enzyme in my scalp (which sounds similar to the ketoconazole based shampoo SolomonGrundy mentions above). Recession stopped immediately, and a small amount of regrowth occurred. The rest of my hair thickened up considerably, to the point these days where every single barber I have been to in the last 3 years has told me I have the thickest hair they've ever cut.

I'm always willing to learn if I am wrong, but I was told by the specialist doctor who put me on this treatment, that DHT's primary function is to trigger the anatomical and physiological changes that makes small boys turn into men during puberty. In adult males, the only effects of the drug are (benign) prostate enlargement in later life, acne, and hair loss.

As an interesting aside, the reason that men lose hair on top of their heads, but not the side and back, is that the two areas come from different sections that a developing embryo splits into. The section that goes on to form the skin on top of the head is susceptible to the action of DHT, whilst the section that forms the sides and back is not.

During the trials of Finasteride as a hair loss treatment, two separate peer-reviewed studies were carried out, the first with around 1000 participants, the second with 3000. Both studies confirmed the existence of a 0.5% chance of reduced libido, which cleared up within a matter of days after discontinuing treatment. No lasting side effects were noted. Finasteride only has a half life of a day or two.

I'm still taking Finasteride on a daily basis, having started my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) about 3 weeks ago, and all I can say is my libido is better than it has ever been in its life. Libido seems entirely testosterone related for me, and having my DHT completely suppressed has absolutely no effect on it.

It's pretty cheap here in the UK, you can get it from high street pharmacies for about £40/month. I see no reason not to carry on taking it for the rest of my life.
 
Finasteride, Rogain and Ketoconazole shampoo (prescription)...I use Rogain twice a day and the shamppo 3 times a week and 1MG of finesteride everyday, this stopped my hair thinnning and actually grew hair back and I am still cycling. ..Swear on this cocktail.
 
Now im confused.


Indications and Usage for Ketoconazole Shampoo

Ketoconazole 2% shampoo is indicated for the treatment of tinea (pityriasis) versicolor caused by or presumed to be caused by Pityrosporum orbiculare (also known as Malassezia furfur or M. orbiculare).

Note: Tinea (pityriasis) versicolor may give rise to hyperpigmented or hypopigmented patches on the trunk which may extend to the neck, arms and upper thighs. Treatment of the infection may not immediately result in normalization of pigment to the affected sites. Normalization of pigment following successful therapy is variable and may take months, depending on individual skin type and incidental sun exposure. Although tinea versicolor is not contagious, it may recur because the organism that causes the disease is part of the normal skin flora.

Contraindications

Ketoconazole 2% shampoo is contraindicated in persons who have known hypersensitivity to the active ingredient or excipients of this formulation.

Precautions

Severe hypersensitivity reactions, including anaphylaxis, have been reported during post-marketing use of Ketoconazole Shampoo. If a reaction suggesting sensitivity or chemical irritation should occur, use of the medication should be discontinued.

Information for Patients:

Patients should be advised of the following:

Ketoconazole 2% shampoo may be irritating to mucous membranes of the eyes and contact with this area should be avoided.
The following have been reported with the use of ketoconazole 2% shampoo: hair discoloration and abnormal hair texture, removal of the curl from permanently waved hair, itching, skin burning sensation and contact dermatitis, hypersensitivity, alopecia, rash, urticaria, skin irritation, dry skin, and application site reactions.
Patients who develop allergic reactions, such as generalized rash, skin reactions, severe swelling, or shortness of breath should discontinue ketoconazole and contact their physician immediately.
Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility:

Long-term studies to assess the carcinogenic potential of ketoconazole 2% shampoo have not been conducted. A long-term feeding study of ketoconazole in Swiss Albino mice and in Wistar rats showed no evidence of oncogenic activity. The dominant lethal mutation test in male and female mice revealed that single oral doses of ketoconazole as high as 80 mg/kg were not genotoxic. The Ames Salmonella microsomal activator assay was also negative.

Pregnancy: Teratogenic effects: Pregnancy Category C:

There are no adequate and well-controlled studies in pregnant women. Ketoconazole should be used during pregnancy only if the potential benefit justifies the potential risk to the fetus. In humans, ketoconazole is not detected in plasma after chronic shampooing on the scalp.

Ketoconazole has been shown to be teratogenic (syndactylia and oligodactylia) in the rat when given orally in the diet at 80 mg/kg/day (a dose 10 times the maximum recommended human oral dose). However, these effects may be related to maternal toxicity, which was seen at this and higher dose levels.

Nursing mothers: There are no adequate and well-controlled studies in nursing women. Ketoconazole is not detected in plasma after chronic shampooing on the scalp. Caution should be exercised when ketoconazole 2% shampoo is administered to a nursing woman.

Pediatric Use: Safety and effectiveness in children have not been established.

Adverse Reactions

In 11 double-blind trials in 264 patients using ketoconazole 2% shampoo for the treatment of dandruff or seborrheic dermatitis, an increase in normal hair loss and irritation occurred in less than 1% of patients. In three open-label safety trials in which 41 patients shampooed 4***8211;10 times weekly for six months, the following adverse experiences each occurred once: abnormal hair texture, scalp pustules, mild dryness of the skin, and itching. As with other shampoos, oiliness and dryness of hair and scalp have been reported. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial in which patients with tinea versicolor were treated with either a single application of ketoconazole 2% shampoo (n=106), a daily application for three consecutive days (n=107), or placebo (n=105), drug-related adverse events occurred in 5 (5%), 7 (7%) and 4 (4%) of patients, respectively. The only events that occurred in more than one patient in any one of the three treatment groups were pruritus, application site reaction, and dry skin; none of these events occurred in more than 3% of the patients in any one of the three groups.

In worldwide experience with ketoconazole 2% shampoo there have been reports of hair discoloration and abnormal hair texture, itching, skin burning sensation, contact dermatitis, hypersensitivity, angioedema, alopecia, rash, urticaria, skin irritation, dry skin, and application site reactions. Because these reactions are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not possible to reliably estimate their frequency.

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Overdosage

Ketoconazole 2% shampoo is intended for external use only. In the event of accidental ingestion, supportive measures should be employed. Induced emesis and gastric lavage should usually be avoided.

Ketoconazole Shampoo Dosage and Administration

Apply the shampoo to the damp skin of the affected area and a wide margin surrounding this area. Lather, leave in place for 5 minutes, and then rinse off with water.

One application of the shampoo should be sufficient.

How is Ketoconazole Shampoo Supplied

Ketoconazole 2% shampoo is a red-orange liquid supplied in a 4-fluid ounce (120 mL) nonbreakable plastic bottle (NDC 10147-0750-4).
 
Hello,
can someone tell me wether Rogaine also works against a receeding hairline on the sides above the temples? I read that minoxidil only works on the top of the head is this true?

I have been using keto shampoo for years cause I suffer from seborrheic dermatitis. I use it on the scalp and also apply the foam to the affected areas in the face but I don't know if this might not be too aggressive for the face. But it's the only thing which works. Keto is a cream doesn't do anything against the seb derm.
 
Since I stopped the avadart the sexual side effects have gotten a little better but my hair is thinning again I have stayed in the the Minoxidil but that does not seem to do the trick. about a month ago I decided to take a couple week off from injections when I went to start again my vial of test turned funky. It got thick and crystallized I was afraid to use it so I made an appointment with the doctor to go over things. He tested my levels and told me to wait till I get the results before starting again. I got the results today my level drooped to 214. I will start injections again tonight he also put me on Finasteride he said take 1/2 an pill I may take 1/4 if I can cut it up that small. I will try the regiment that Moegreen posted above.
 
Since I stopped the avadart the sexual side effects have gotten a little better but my hair is thinning again I have stayed in the the Minoxidil but that does not seem to do the trick. about a month ago I decided to take a couple week off from injections when I went to start again my vial of test turned funky. It got thick and crystallized I was afraid to use it so I made an appointment with the doctor to go over things. He tested my levels and told me to wait till I get the results before starting again. I got the results today my level drooped to 214. I will start injections again tonight he also put me on Finasteride he said take 1/2 an pill I may take 1/4 if I can cut it up that small. I will try the regiment that Moegreen posted above.


Just cut your hair short. Girls love it! Wash and go. Think how much simpler your life will be. No more drugs to mess with that do who knows what to you. Why fight it?

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