HCG better during cycle or pct?

Chicken Legs

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I know some guys use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for their post cycle therapy (pct) and then some guys use it during. If you were planning on doing a test/dbol cycle with nolvadex for post cycle therapy (pct) for your first cycle how would you use the hcg?
 
if you were to add Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to the last part of the cycle what do you think would be the minimum amount of time you could run it to have recovery benefits? I know its not as good as running it all cycle but if you threw it in towards the end how long would you have to run it?
 
Button Buck said:
but if you threw it in towards the end how long would you have to run it?

I would say 2 to 3 weeks minimum if shooting it twice per week, but any amount should be beneficial.
 
250mg Test e on mon/thurs
300 iu's Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on tues/thurs

If this is a good way to split it up should I shoot at the same time (in different syringes of course) or should I do one in the morning/one in the evening type deal.
 
Chicken Legs said:
250mg Test e on mon/thurs
300 iu's Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on tues/thurs

If this is a good way to split it up should I shoot at the same time (in different syringes of course) or should I do one in the morning/one in the evening type deal.


Doesn't matter. You can shoot them at the same time or at different times. It won't affect the results you get from either drug.
 
i have ran 3 cycle and used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) only near the end coming up to pct... never had any problems going this route.. however my cycles only consisted of test and eq...
if i ran something harder like tren, deca, etc i would probably run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) thruout..
 
I had 10k iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for my cycle. THe 1st round I ran 300iu the day before each inject and 150iu the day of the injection.

Now i'm on my 2nd amp and i'm doing 250iu 4times per week. SOmetimes I would back off of it though if my nuts felt good. As said above use the min necessary.
 
Studies have shown that a total of 1050 iu/week of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) taken during your cycle will keep the leydig cells producing as much test as they do normally.
Taking 150iu ed gives the best results since it causes less aromatase activity & allows for more stable hormone levels.
 
AussieThunder said:
Studies have shown that a total of 1050 iu/week of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) taken during your cycle will keep the leydig cells producing as much test as they do normally.
Taking 150iu ed gives the best results since it causes less aromatase activity & allows for more stable hormone levels.

This sounds very logical. Do you have any of those studies you can post?
 
Below is the abstract that I based the idea that using 300ius of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) EOD is optimal. If you take the numbers, throw them into excel, and add a trendline you'll find that 305ius EOD hits baseline. This is all based on the idea that smaller, more frequent injects are better than larger amounts of hcg. If you'd like I have a few studies done on that also.

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Feb 15; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links


LOW DOSE HUMAN CHORIONIC GONADOTROPIN MAINTAINS INTRATESTICULAR TESTOSTERONE IN NORMAL MEN WITH TESTOSTERONE INDUCED GONADOTROPIN SUPPRESSION.

Coviello AD, Matsumoto AM, Bremner WJ, Herbst KL, Amory JK, Anawalt BD, Sutton PR, Wright WW, Brown TR, Yan X, Zirkin BR, Jarow JP.

Center for Research in Reproduction and Contraception, Geriatric Research Education and Clinical Center, Veteran Affairs Puget Sound Health Care System (AMM), and Department of Medicine, University of Washington School of Medicine (ADC, WJB, JKA, BDA, PLS), Seattle, WA; Department of Medicine, Charles R. Drew University (KLH), Los Angeles, CA; Department of Urology, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine (XY, JPJ), Baltimore, MD; Division of Reproductive Biology, Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health (WWW, TRB, XY, BRZ, JPJ), Baltimore, MD.

In previous studies of testicular biopsy tissue from healthy men, intratesticular testosterone (ITT) has been shown to be much higher than serum testosterone (T), suggesting that high ITT is needed relative to serum T for normal spermatogenesis in men. However, the quantitative relationship between ITT and spermatogenesis is not known. To begin to address this issue experimentally we sought to determine the dose response relationship between human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and ITT to determine the minimum dose needed to maintain ITT in the normal range. Twenty-nine men with normal reproductive physiology were randomized to receive 200 mg T enanthate (TE) weekly in combination with either saline placebo or hCG 125 IU, 250 IU, or 500 IU every other day for 3 weeks. ITT was assessed in testicular fluid obtained by percutaneous fine needle aspiration at baseline and the end of treatment. Baseline serum T (14.1 nmol/L) was 1.2% of ITT (1174 nmol/L). LH and FSH were profoundly suppressed to 5% and 3% of baseline respectively, and ITT was suppressed by 94% (1234 nmol/L to 72 nmol/L) in the TE/placebo group. ITT increased linearly with increasing hCG dose (P < 0.001). Post-treatment ITT was 25% less than baseline in the 125 IU hCG group, 7% less than baseline in the 250 IU hCG group, and 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group. These results demonstrate that relatively low dose hCG maintains ITT within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression. Extensions of this study will allow determination of the ITT concentration threshold required to maintain normal steroidogenesis in men.
 
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