HCG restart without a SERM?

[iron24]

Hey guys,
I'm looking to do a restart since, 9 months after my last cycle my test levels are still reading in the low 200's. I have tried 2 clomid restarts already but I had to stop last time due to side effects and I will not be using A SERM again in the future.

Would it be worth using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) even though I can't use a serm afterwards? If so please let me know how long and how to dose it. Also is there anything else I should add to this restart such as arimidex ect?

Thanks, all opinions welcome.

 

[iron24]

I forgot to add my LH levels are still pretty low between 1.5 -2. Would running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for a week or 2 be too risky in shutting down the pituitary further?

 

[stang50]

Hcg itself is suppressive so may not be best used alone. You may just have low test man

 

[iron24]

Hcg itself is suppressive so may not be best used alone. You may just have low test man

You might be right above having fairly low test levels considering I don't feel very shut down even with my levels at 200 so maybe I've always been fairly low. I still have an ok sex drive ect. It's almost more mentally frustrating knowing that your levels are below 300 just doesn'tn sit right.

I am considering the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) because I've never done it before and one of my cycles in the past ran for about 14 weeks and shut me down hard, and I only pct'd with nolva. Bump for more suggestions if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would be worth a try or whether I am better off letting my body recover naturally.

 

[clman8585]

Why don't you go to a doctor?

 

[iron24]

Why don't you go to a doctor?

I have been seeing an endo for a few months, and I was prescribed clomid. Beyond that my endo's only answer is testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), which I am trying to avoid. Most doctors don't know much about restarts from steroids, and I would rather get advice from guy's on this forum who have been in my situation. Also, I don't want to tell my doc that I have used in the past as this doesn't seem like a very good idea.

 

[clman8585]

Sorry to say bro but it sounds like you will be a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) guy whether you want to accept it or not. Be positive about it.. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) has its benefits..you get to run test 365 with never needing to post cycle therapy (pct) lol

 

[iron24]

Sorry to say bro but it sounds like you will be a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) guy whether you want to accept it or not. Be positive about it.. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) has its benefits..you get to run test 365 with never needing to post cycle therapy (pct) lol

We'll see man. If I have to than so be it, but all I know is I'm not giving up without a fight! There are some people who believe you'll never fully recover from long cycles without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), hence why I'm trying to get some opinions on how to run it without shutting down hpta.

 

[clman8585]

Hcg has the potential to shut you down. Why would you want to incorporate that into what you are tryign to do. Remember, your situation is slightly diffrent than other AAS users. If i were you I wouldn't even be in the same room as a chemical that has shutdown potential.

 

[MattyIce]

I prefer Torem 60mg/day and Aromasin 12.5 ed-eod for post cycle therapy (pct). Try a 6 week post cycle therapy (pct) and tribulus/herbal test stimuli and go from there. I never have use clomid.

 

[iron24]

Hcg has the potential to shut you down. Why would you want to incorporate that into what you are tryign to do. Remember, your situation is slightly diffrent than other AAS users. If i were you I wouldn't even be in the same room as a chemical that has shutdown potential.

I agree that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will shut down my LH. But if I still have some testicle atrophy from previous cycles then Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) may be the only thing that will fully bring them back. I would like to hear more opinions on whether you can come back from atrophy withouth hcg.

 

[iron24]

I prefer Torem 60mg/day and Aromasin 12.5 ed-eod for post cycle therapy (pct). Try a 6 week post cycle therapy (pct) and tribulus/herbal test stimuli and go from there. I never have use clomid.

Thanks man I'll look into Torem, and see if it has the same vision side effects I get from clomid and nolva.