HCG timing ?

[Green888]

Hi All !

This is what my next cycle will look like :

Weeks 1-10: 500mg test enanthate a week.
Weeks 8-12: 100mg Winstrol (winny) injected eod.
Weeks 1-4: 30mg Dbol a day (maybe 40mg, not desided).

Thats the cycle...i know many will say take 50mg Winstrol (winny) ed in stead of eod, but this is what i have desided, ed injections is to much for me

My question is: when do i start my HCG and NOLVADEX and how much, and for how long ? opinions needed !

I got 3 x 2500 iu HCG-lepori and can get all the Nolvadex i need ! !
Can i use half a HCG 2500 and save the rest in the refigurator for later use ?

Regards
Green888

 

[Batman]

Weeks 8-12: 100mg Winstrol (winny) injected eod.

Thats the cycle...i know many will say take 50mg Winstrol (winny) ed in stead of eod, but this is what i have desided, ed injections is to much for me

Green888

Hi bro,
I know this is not what you asked for, but since you mentioned that I want to tell you one thing about Winstrol (winny) injections.
You know Winstrol (winny) has a short halflife and it's important you keep injections not so far one from the other; I know win injecting is a little painful, bu why don't you rotate your inj spots?

 

[Green888]

i have had great progress with 50mg Winstrol (winny) eod, so i have reason to believe that 100mg eod will be good enough for me !

Btw i only use quads when i inject, cant reach shoulders, and any other spots freaks me out, lol

 

[jucieNjs]

I am curious about his other question....how long will the HCG last after it is mixed and stored in the refigerator or freezer?

 

[AustinTX]

If mixed with bacteriostatic water, it will be good up to 60 days; I'd just take 500IUs every 5 days throughout the cycle to help prevent atrophy. If mixed with sterile water it's just good for 10 or so days max.

 

[gurma]

Look at this thread to Praetorian´s post!!
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11777&highlight=dianabol+bridge

 

[AustinTX]

Llewellyn recommends more HCG than is necessary, IMO; and also studies show that preventing atrophy in the first place speeds natural recovery. So why use 10,000 IUs in big doses at the end and have to recover from atrophy instead of smaller doses (same total or less) throughout the cycle to prevent it in the first place? I tend to prefer Swale's approach for a variety of reasons.

 

[Mudge]

Using high doses can kill leydig cells, even if used at the end you dont want to be using massive doses. 500iu ED for 2-3 weeks at the end, or through the cycle which would be best, unless you are celibate which most of us are not.

 

[Green888]

Look at this thread to Praetorian´s post!!
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11777&highlight=dianabol+bridge

Very nice post, thx bro !

But...

Sample Post-cycle Plan:
Week 3: 5000IU HCG total + 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 4: 5000IU HCG total + 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 5: 2500IU HCG total + 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 6: 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 7: 20mg Nolvadex daily
Week 8: 20mg Nolvadex daily

...when do i inject my first dose of HCG ? 3 weeks after last Test injection ? ...or 3 weeks after my last Winstrol injection ?
Anybody care to comment ?

 

[Green888]

If mixed with bacteriostatic water, it will be good up to 60 days; I'd just take 500IUs every 5 days throughout the cycle to help prevent atrophy. If mixed with sterile water it's just good for 10 or so days max.

What if the HCG is mixed by using the solvent intended for it ?
for how long can i keep it in the fridge then ? ...i have to keep it in the refrigurator, right ?
.....i would like facts on this, dont want to harm myself !

 

[Alin]

Using high doses can kill leydig cells, even if used at the end you dont want to be using massive doses. 500iu ED for 2-3 weeks at the end, or through the cycle which would be best, unless you are celibate which most of us are not.

Thats true. HCG is beneficial on LONG cycles but with dosages at under 1000 IU per day spaced 2 or 3 times per week

I would not run HCG with your cycle

 

[Alin]

1. HCG during short cycles could do more harm than good

" if you run hcg on short cycles or too late in a cycle it could cause counter-productive results.the hcg will make your body "think" its functioning correctly and the clomid will not work! "

2. HCG is beneficial on LONG cycles but with dosages at under 1000 IU per day spaced 2 or 3 times per week

" hcg only mimics (pretends) NTRto avoid testicular atrophy. if you were to shut your natural test production down for a full yr <long cycle> , your body could shut it down permenently. hcg tricks your body into thinking it is producing testosterone and keeps them from shutting down."

3. Clomid during a cycle is a waste

" When the level of androgens in the body get too high, the androgen receptor becomes more highly activated, and the hypothalamus stops sending a signal to the pituitary. In short the signal tells our body to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has higher levels than normal of androgens and as long as this level is high enough clomid will not help to keep natural test production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off. The only purpose of clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen. "

4. HCG at the end of a cycle will do more harm than good

" HCG post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production. From the above discussion it is clear that HCG is best used during a cycle to avoid testicular atrophy. " FROM " HCG Info & Usage" by XCEL

5. We should end the cycle only with CLOMID

 

[Green888]

hmm, so many different opinions....now im totally lost !
I just dont know what to believe now ?
use HCG or not ???

Any veterans care to comment on this ??? plz !!

 

[AustinTX]

As to Alin's points.

1. long or short is no different. that is why you stop hcg before post cycle therapy (pct).

2. it is very rare, but some people have had a testicle that did not recover, and it doesn't take a year long cycle to make that happen.

4. The author is referring to the period between when the cycle ends and post cycle therapy (pct) (Nolva or Clomid) begins. Not the last week or so of the cycle.

5. You can end very well with Nolvadex; or a Nolvadex and Clomid combo, not just Clomid. HCG shouldn't be taken once post cycle therapy (pct) begins though, which was probably the point he was trying to make not the nolva vs clomid distinction.


His points are valid though; low IUs vs high; don't take HCG during post cycle therapy (pct);

 

[Green888]

As to Alin's points.

1. long or short is no different. that is why you stop hcg before post cycle therapy (pct).

2. it is very rare, but some people have had a testicle that did not recover, and it doesn't take a year long cycle to make that happen.

4. The author is referring to the period between when the cycle ends and post cycle therapy (pct) (Nolva or Clomid) begins. Not the last week or so of the cycle.

5. You can end very well with Nolvadex; or a Nolvadex and Clomid combo, not just Clomid. HCG shouldn't be taken once post cycle therapy (pct) begins though, which was probably the point he was trying to make not the nolva vs clomid distinction.


His points are valid though; low IUs vs high; don't take HCG during post cycle therapy (pct);

....so in my case, when would I start HCG ? ....and NOLVADEX ? .....and for how long ??

 

[Green888]

bump ?