Help, newbie mistake, need to damage control...

[Frankos]

Hi guys,

Straight to the point, I made a newbie mistake and I am trying to rectify/damage control as much as I can. I hope the experienced folks in here can give me some suggestions.

Background

I am a 32 years old, 184 cm and 75 kg. I am fit and athletic, though I have never been big. I have been training since I am 14 years old (I was acoompanying a friend with a back problem), taking supplements and informing myself about the science of gaining muscle for as long as I can remember. However, steroids were never in the plan, so I didn't know much about it.

In the last 2-3 years, I have seen a decline of my sexual drive. Signs like waking up without erection, stop masturbating, not feeling like watching porn, not feeling like having sex with girlfriend... These appeared gradually but started to accumulate to the point I knew I had to do something about it. Suspecting my testosterone wasn't high enough despite being an active guy, I was trying to modify my diet and gym routine to raise it naturally. After a few months with no success, I hired a personal trainer with this specific goal in ming, to raise my T.

The problem

Me and my gf have been in the distance for some months, and she was coming to visit me for 10 days. My drive wasn't quite there yet, so I talked to my coach about it right before she arrived. He suggested that I could do a fast acting T cycle, a short one for about 6 weeks. He said we could add Deca to put some more mass while I am on the T. I had little time to think about it, but I did trust the guy enough to say yes and take the plunge. He suggested the following for 6 weeks, I started this on 18th September:

• T suspension: 1cc shot every other day. This suspension is 50mg/cc
• Deca: 1cc shot once a week, concentration is 250mg/cc

The hours before I started the cycle, I read as much as I could. I noticed that T suspension was not a popular choice because it requires frequent injections, but being super fast acting, I though it might be more adequate for me. All in all, I trusted the guy (being a big one himself) and I though he knew what he was doing (now I know this is a mistake).

So I started doing this cycle at the same time that I was doing more research (I know is a mistake too and you should do the research BEFORE). In fact the more I read, the more I think I am not doing it right. Specifically I am concerned about the T, knowing the half life is just a few hours, I think doing it every other day seems like not often enough.

On another note, I was wondering what the PCT of my current cycle would look like. I read that Tsuspension PCT is done 8 hours after the last shot and Deca 2 weeks after the last shot, however my coach was suggesting to run Deca up until the last shot, not sure that sounds right.

Right now I have questions about my current cycle and how to properly do a PCT. Do you think I should modify/add something to make it a better cycle? Should I increase T suspension frequency? Should I make the cycle longer, add another kind of T and keep using the suspension until the other kind kicks in? Is he right with his suggestion for PCT or should I have stop Deca 2 weeks before?

I am still doing research, in the meantime any suggestions are welcome.

 

[Milton]

So whats your problem?

 

[LeoNtin]

Hi guys,


Right now I have questions about my current cycle and how to properly do a PCT. Do you think I should modify/add something to make it a better cycle? Should I increase T suspension frequency? Should I make the cycle longer, add another kind of T and keep using the suspension until the other kind kicks in? Is he right with his suggestion for PCT or should I have stop Deca 2 weeks before?

I think you should inject Test Susp more often, it has a very low half-life. PCT after deca has a 3 week pause. Its pretty long lasting. So there you have it I guess. Inject Test susp more often (well, why bother changing ester if you have it?) and stop Deca 3 weeks before Test. If your cycle is 6 weeks only, then I think Deca is a waste for just 3 weeks....

For PCT, how about the standard Clomid/Nolva combo along with some Hcg if you can find it.

However, I dont understand why you would start a cycle just for some bed-performance enhancement. There are other over-the-counter stuff out there that have great (and time controlable) results.

Finally. When you said, your "drive wasnt there yet?" I dont get it. You mean you just ended a cycle and you were on PCT already, waiting for the sex-drive to recover? In that case, I think you should respect the "time on= time off+pct" rule of thumb.

 

[Onk]

I think you should stop this trainwreck "cycle" straight away, wait 2.5-3 weeks for PCT (deca has a LONG ester) as you need to wait for that to clear.

Basically, nothing in your cycle is correct and you've basically chemically castrated yourself for days on end before you pin the TNE again. Not to mention, you aren't using an AI so your hormones are on a roller coaster.

 

[Gainjin260]

I think you should stop this trainwreck "cycle" straight away, wait 2.5-3 weeks for PCT (deca has a LONG ester) as you need to wait for that to clear.

Basically, nothing in your cycle is correct and you've basically chemically castrated yourself for days on end before you pin the TNE again. Not to mention, you aren't using an AI so your hormones are on a roller coaster.

Fire your trainer. He's a dope.

You may be hypogonadal. You should have gone first to a doctor to get your t levels checked. Now you'll have to wait 6-8 weeks after pct to do this as the serms will boost your test levels. In the mean time try Cialis for libido/erections. Click on the RUI banner and order some.

Read up in the TRT section of the forum. I was diagnosed with low t at age 32. It sucks, but you can get your life back on track. Just because somebody has a lot of muscle doesn't mean they're educated in using AAS properly.

Welcome.

 

[Frankos]

I rformance enhancement. There are other over-the-counter stuff out there that have great

Finally. When you said, your "drive wasnt there yet?" I dont get it. You mean you just ended a cycle and you were on PCT already, waiting for the sex-drive to recover? In that case, I think you should respect the "time on= time off+pct" rule of thumb.

Thanks for the input LeoNtin, if you are talking about the mighty blue pill, that doesn't solve my issue. The problem is wanting sex, the erection was fine. I missed the crazy sex drive of my 25 years old self, I wanted to feel younger. I got to say that the T gave me the effects I wanted, but a bit inconsistent, only on the day of the shot not the one in between.

I have never done a cycle, for the drive I meant my sex drive, I was referring to trying to raise T naturally.

About injecting T more often, that's what I though. However, I don't think I can do daily injections for another few weeks. I'm already burned out of doing it every other day for 3 weeks, I'm New to it and it's really getting to me already, not to mention they can really hurt the next day, though I'm getting used to it. I'm thinking of stopping altogether, wait 3 weeks and start PCT.

 

[LJCatBrah]

Your "coach" is an idiot and should never be listened to about anything, ever again.

There is NO reason to ever cycle suspension. It's great for pre-workout boosts. That's about it. Or I guess if you're being drug tested and need it to clear almost immediately. He's having you pin like it's test prop, which would have been a proper test ester to consider.

Also, he's an idiot for suggesting deca for an inexperienced user, and a bigger idiot for suggesting it on a short cycle. Deca is one of the hardest compounds to recover from. It's also one of the slowest to kick in. By the end of your six week cycle, the deca would just barely be doing anything.

Drop the deca immediately. Shoot 1/4cc of test suspension twice per day for 2-3 weeks until the deca clears (or until your GF leaves) and then start your pct. Or, if possible, get test prop and shoot 50mg EOD instead.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Well if I say much it will be all of what has been previously said. Fvck your coach and fire him straight away. w ay form him. You can be nice but get away. What you were doing isn't a cycle to speak of. this was a stupid mistake and dumb decision.
Read the stickys on this forum,

Good Luck but ya gotta research AAS

 

[Milton]

I think you should inject Test Susp more often, it has a very low half-life. PCT after deca has a 3 week pause. Its pretty long lasting. So there you have it I guess. Inject Test susp more often (well, why bother changing ester if you have it?) and stop Deca 3 weeks before Test. If your cycle is 6 weeks only, then I think Deca is a waste for just 3 weeks....

For PCT, how about the standard Clomid/Nolva combo along with some Hcg if you can find it.

However, I dont understand why you would start a cycle just for some bed-performance enhancement. There are other over-the-counter stuff out there that have great (and time controlable) results.

Finally. When you said, your "drive wasnt there yet?" I dont get it. You mean you just ended a cycle and you were on PCT already, waiting for the sex-drive to recover? In that case, I think you should respect the "time on= time off+pct" rule of thumb.

good points.

 

[LeoNtin]

Thanks for the input LeoNtin, if you are talking about the mighty blue pill, that doesn't solve my issue. The problem is wanting sex, the erection was fine. I missed the crazy sex drive of my 25 years old self, I wanted to feel younger. I got to say that the T gave me the effects I wanted, but a bit inconsistent, only on the day of the shot not the one in between.

I have never done a cycle, for the drive I meant my sex drive, I was referring to trying to raise T naturally.

About injecting T more often, that's what I though. However, I don't think I can do daily injections for another few weeks. I'm already burned out of doing it every other day for 3 weeks, I'm New to it and it's really getting to me already, not to mention they can really hurt the next day, though I'm getting used to it. I'm thinking of stopping altogether, wait 3 weeks and start PCT.

Yup. I would stop too if I were you. I would also PM one of the pros in here and chat a bit regarding advice.

 

[Frankos]

Hi guys,

So I stopped that cycle as I said. Now it has been almost 2 weeks since my last deca shot (had just 3 in total). I though about starting PCT tomorrow. The question is, since the cycle was rather short, do I need a typical 4 weeks chlomid/novaldex PCT?

By the way I happen to be in Bangkok so I'm gearing up to do a proper Test cycle next time, also got winstrol. Earliest I could start the next would be 3 weeks after PCT correct? (I was 3 weeks in cycle when I stopped)

Thanks for your advise.