Help on my second cycle, test deca.

[joelnare]

Hello guys, I'm 20 years old, 190lbs, 12%bf, 188cm. I did a first soft cycle 6 months ago
350mg of sustanon e/week from week 1 to 10
100mg of tren ace every 3 days from week 6 to 10
I gained some clean mass during that cycle, and lost pretty much 4 lbs from it after pct with HCG +Nolva

Right now I'm planning on doing a second cycle, I had a problem on my first cycle, till now I feel pain in tendons and on hands doing big lifts, as I know, I increased a lot muscles while tendons didn't grow due to reduced collagen synthesis of sustanon.
I don't know if what I'm saying is correct, just what i think.

For my second cycle I would like to do some Test E 500mg/week + Deca 400mg/week. As I heard also that deca help tendons.
Need some help tough.

 

[Manski]

So no ai during cycle ? And I hope you didn't use hcg during your pct ?

 

[joelnare]

No AI during cycle right, and I did hcg 3 weeks after last injection 2000iu 2 times a week x 3 weeks and I did nolva

 

[joelnare]

After the HCG I did the nolva*

 

[oldmusclemike]

OMG ...
Stats you are too young and that is just one reaso you hurt so bad. You do understand somewhat about it , the why. But you are too young.

You lost 4 lbs out of what gain. With your natural test where it is st age 20 you could of made your gains with out gear.

You certainly don't need anything more then test. Tell us what you weighed before and now. How long ago was the cycle.

But it doesn't really matter because it is against my morals to help a 20 yr old kid load the gun to play Russian Roulette with his Endocrine system and growth.

If you can't make those gains without steroids at your age you don't know how to eat and train properly. You may not a lot of help here. You don't know what you are doing. What you have done and your Q's show that.

 

[Manski]

OMG ...
Stats you are too young and that is just one reaso you hurt so bad. You do understand somewhat about it , the why. But you are too young.

You lost 4 lbs out of what gain. With your natural test where it is st age 20 you could of made your gains with out gear.

You certainly don't need anything more then test. Tell us what you weighed before and now. How long ago was the cycle.

But it doesn't really matter because it is against my morals to help a 20 yr old kid load the gun to play Russian Roulette with his Endocrine system and growth.

If you can't make those gains without steroids at your age you don't know how to eat and train properly. You may not a lot of help here. You don't know what you are doing. What you have done and your Q's show that.

Absolutely agree

 

[joelnare]

No Ai during cycle, had some puffy nipples that lately disappeared as they were water retention, I did HCG for 3 weeks at 2000iu 2 times a week and than i did nolvadex. Done blood work and did things safely, 350mg sustanon it's not hardcore, my bloodwork are fine, only effect is that my tendon hurts a lot as I went from doing 70kg bench x 10 times to 110kg bench x 10 times. My strength overgrown but it hurts and my hands are like insensible right now.

I want to put up another 10-15kg by the end of September to do some shows. The problem is that here in my gym they haven't that much knowledge, the guy that sold me the gear is 110kg with fucked up endocrine system as he never done pct in his life, I studied my first cycle 1 year before doing it, I known the risks and I did it, with pct and all safe, now I need help for my second cycle and I wrote here instead of reading other post, to have a detailed answer over my needs. My english may not be that good, just trying my best.

 

[3J]

i stopped reading at 20 years old and cycle..

youre too young..

 

[joelnare]

i stopped reading at 20 years old and cycle..

youre too young..

I did already one cycle, blood works were good after that. When I was 17 I bought also your nutrition plan. I'm looking for advices, not for people saying 20 years old you are too young etc etc, I know the risks, some good help on not fucking up would be good.

 

[scorob777]

No, you don't know the risks. You are young & bulletproof, and your body is in great shape and not broken down. You are mentally not set up to understand risks.

When you are older, and the list of things wrong with you goes into double digits, then you'll appreciate more.

 

[appleton111]

I did already one cycle, blood works were good after that. When I was 17 I bought also your nutrition plan. I'm looking for advices, not for people saying 20 years old you are too young etc etc, I know the risks, some good help on not fucking up would be good.

youll know more about the risk effects when your older and in the trt forum.

 

[Manski]

No Ai during cycle, had some puffy nipples that lately disappeared as they were water retention, I did HCG for 3 weeks at 2000iu 2 times a week and than i did nolvadex. Done blood work and did things safely, 350mg sustanon it's not hardcore, my bloodwork are fine, only effect is that my tendon hurts a lot as I went from doing 70kg bench x 10 times to 110kg bench x 10 times. My strength overgrown but it hurts and my hands are like insensible right now.

I want to put up another 10-15kg by the end of September to do some shows. The problem is that here in my gym they haven't that much knowledge, the guy that sold me the gear is 110kg with fucked up endocrine system as he never done pct in his life, I studied my first cycle 1 year before doing it, I known the risks and I did it, with pct and all safe, now I need help for my second cycle and I wrote here instead of reading other post, to have a detailed answer over my needs. My english may not be that good, just trying my best.

Even though your test was relatively moderate dose I'd still run a ai during your cycle. Especially since you had puffy nipples on that dose. But these guys are right on here. I would not run any cycles right now at your age. Run some bloods again. I bet your test levels are through the roof as it is at your age. Just get your diet on point and grow with that.